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[–]Haylstorm 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

They're fine with violence when it's against groups they don't like. Always have been.

Honestly they always come across as worse than what they're against. As I've heard from numerous people when discussing it it's less offensive to have a talk with the 'other side' if you're a minority because within the US they jump to the slurs they condemn as soon as you move out of lockstep with them on a single issue. In the case I'm thinking of they were called an "indigenous uncle tom" for not wanting artefacts to go back to their (war torn and currently corrupt) country and wanting to wait until those issues have settled first so that they won't get destroyed or sold off. This was right after the Benin bronzes Germany gave back vanished into a private collection.

When the minority groups you're claiming to represent feel more represented by the 'racist side' you've gone very wrong somewhere.

Really wish groups could stop wishing death and violence on others but the sort that say that on social media are too pathetic to do it themselves.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

In the case I'm thinking of they were called an "indigenous uncle tom" for not wanting artefacts to go back to their (war torn and currently corrupt) country and wanting to wait until those issues have settled first so that they won't get destroyed or sold off. This was right after the Benin bronzes Germany gave back vanished into a private collection.

This is what irks me about those brainless muppets who whine about European musuems having collections of foreign stuff (which even I would admit is mostly outright loot in many cases). The natives would have cheerfully destroyed or cashed it out themselves, because its historical value was nothing to them. And anything that gets turned over now? Just as you said, gone into someone's personal stash while the people in charge of wherever it was supposed to get returned to get a paycheck for it.

[–]Haylstorm 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Honestly it was really sad for that particular case. There was a museum built for them and promises that they'd be for the people. Only to vanish into that private collection instantly as a 'gift' to the ruler. It could've been a great moment where everyone would've been able to see them but it got ruined.

Not to mention the idiocy of giving them away that fast means no one else is going to give any back to them so really they screwed themselves over.

[–]LyingSpirit472 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's just unrealistic.

The real grift is in the endless cycle: The country returns the artifacts to the country. The person who gets them for the country sells them to a private collector. The private collector donates it to another country's museum. THAT COUNTRY's people get mad at them. The museum sends it back to the country, they sell it, and the cycle continues.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The purpose of museums is to educate, not to show off your crown jewels.

A lot of nationalists in the developing world and US leftist seem to get confused on this point.

Western museums have done great things for humanising people in far off places. If they are emptied of foreign exhibits then its very easy for the chattering classes to believe that people in other counties aren't human like themselves.

In their own countries of course they just get put away because they no longer serve any purpose.