Henry VIII’s flagship Mary Rose was so totally queer. Mary Rose Museum mocked by historians for an online exhibition “Queering the Mary Rose” that tries to link artefacts recovered from the wreck to LGBTQ stories with zero evidence.

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[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

To be fair, back in the time of Henry VIII they punished gays by hanging and seizing their entire estates leaving nothing for widows and heirs. The charge was used against non-gays by Henry to enrich himself, because he was a massive bastard and the seized assets went to the Crown.

The trouble with the claims about historical gayness is that they are rarely backed by evidence.

There’s a contingent of “historians” that are determined to prove that there were black or gays in pre-modern England and part of me suspects that it stems in part because they think it will trigger straight white people, the other part thinks it’s a cynical attempt to claim that England, and it’s always England, was always diverse as an argument against those who complain about the rapidly changing demographics and frankly ridiculous immigration rates.

[–]OuroborosTheory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I mean Henry 8 was the first to criminalize it and use it against his opponents Stalin-style, and it was very strict compared to the Continent (where enforcement was more de facto, 1799 France even had an "out" co-president who was gay in the modern sense) since the Tudor state was more centralized and could catch who it wanted (no parlement or Hansa city could have a carve-out from nationwide laws); just watch Les rois maudits (which GRRM enthusiastically admits to ripping off) for that sort of backstabbing politics; and seamen have always had a well-earned ... reputation

but that just shows this is just imposing modern definitions onto the past, in the clumsiest manner--the biggest sin historians can think of after outright forgery; ditto "Two-Spirit," they just kludged together some Cree and Navajo categories and declared it "Pan-Indian trans" when the were semi-outcasts who had to sit in flints ever month to bleed (and, no, they didn't see them as men who BECAME women); 21st-c. categories and ideas about aren't eternal, objective observations but just as trendy and coincidental as anything else, and that's gonna sting

the desperate scramble to make themselves relevant, to "change the world rather than just describe it," (and "trigger the chuds" like Ghostbusters 2016) often drives smaller departments like anthro, geography, Anglo-Saxon Old English studies to "stand on your head and spin" levels of crazy fantasizing to "radically reinterpret" the dusty old fields: Marija Gimbutas and Margaret Murray invented a matriarchal Goddess-worshipping Paleolithic Europe out of whole cloth and a handful of artifacts, and most people still really believe in it (even if implicitly)

you can even see the desperation by what they're "queering"--a mirror? a fuckin' MIRROR?! they wrote a run-on "queered interpretation" full of polysyllabic academese buzzwords for a mirror jammed behind a post when the ship sank

[–]wylanderuk 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Actually I would laugh if their "queer mirror" turned out to be some kind of heliograph...

[–]OuroborosTheory 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

presumably all prisms are gay because they generate rainbows, and Newton was indeed aroaceTM