TRANSGENDERPolling shows that up to one third of people living in Britain do not know that the word “Transwoman” refers to a person who is biologically male - this might actually explain why so many people support “trans rights”, they just do not understand the terminology (and the media is to blame)

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[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Campaigners are calling for better explanation of gender terms after more than a third of Britons were found to not know that transgender women are biologically male.

A survey has found that 35 per cent of people believe that a 'transgender woman' is someone who is female from birth, or that they were unclear on terms such as 'transgender woman' or 'trans woman'.

The research, which was carried out by policy analysis group Murray Blackburn Mackenzie (MBM), showed that there was greater confusion with the term 'trans woman', with 40 percent incorrectly defining the term.

Campaigners suggested that the research, from the Edinburgh-based organisation, showed that the public did not know what the politically correct gender terms meant.

Politicians, journalists and pollsters were urged by campaigners to provide greater clarity on the terms, which they believed were not explicit enough.

This brings several thoughts to my mind. Firstly, all polling on transgender acceptance is flawed, if people think transwomen are biologically female then they will support them accessing women’s spaces—there can be no other way to interpret that—this is dreadful for the transgender rights activists.

Secondly, I actually believe the ignorance is by design. The post-modernists are absolute experts in these sorts of linguistic tricks.

Thirdly, I think that the more people understand what is going on in the whole post-modern social justice movement, the more of the public will reject it. The obfuscation in post-modern social justice is necessary because either the changes they want will appear ludicrous (men are literally women) or they will realise that they’re massively detrimental (children should be exposed to kink, drag and told they can morph their bodies into the opposite sex through surgery and drugs).

I think this is another important “the Emperor is naked!” moment, and we need many more of these.

[–]LtGreenCo 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I actually believe the ignorance is by design.

There's no doubt in my mind of this. All of their newspeak is subversive and/or deliberately designed to be confusing, and administered like a trojan-horse, where you subconsciously agree to their terms before you've even had time to think about it.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Equity is a prime example. Seemingly overnight the people who used to talk about equality and equality of opportunity started to talk about equity and barely anyone acknowledged it despite equity being “equality of outcome” which has always been considered an illiberal proposition.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes it's because they say "trans woman" is a type of woman with "trans" being implied as an adjective. I had this debate with a TRA before I said "you realize that trans is a prefix right?" They kept arguing that it was just an adjective to describe the woman. This is why they get so mad if you write "transwomen" with no space. It's clearly a way of using language as thought control. Basically using the logic that "obviously transwomen are a type of woman because it says it right in the name." Ok but you activists literally just made up the term to fit the narrative not the other way around.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

There isn't much consistency in how the terms are used so it is naturally confusing to anyone who doesn't follow it.

Trans women are women. But they aren't women. So are trans-women transmen? Many people will think this.

I'm down with the idea so far as "let's recognize gender disphoria as a psychiatric condition and not bully people" but not down with erasing physical sex entirely. If wearing a dress makes some confused dude not kill himself, well I don't really by that argument but whatever, let him wear it, if he thinks wearing a dress should let him access the female washroom, nope, sex specific spaces exist entirely because females are at much more risk of sexual assault than males, that's it. Your average trans person might not be a sexual predator, but allowing the exception ensures that sexual predators will take advantage of it.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Heck, if you take what you said, you can fix the problem AND give trans people their rights in the same way.

If we make "let's recognize gender dysphoria as a psychiatric condition and not bully people who have it" the form, then people who have dysphoria will have to be diagnosed as such and have paperwork saying "this person has gender dysphoria and believes he is a woman" that can be shown in this instance...and by doing so, you've kicked self-ID to the curb, and in the process fixed the sexual predator issue of "if all you have to do to be transgender is say you are, then inevitably sexual predators will just say they're transgender to take advantage of it" issue- and thus it becomes "sure, let the trans person enter the washroom."

If being a psychiatric condition that requires being diagnosed to have it is in there, most of the opportunistic sexual predators won't get through the door...and if someone who IS a sexual predator manages to sneak through diagnosis? Quite frankly, any person who's thought process is "I would like to sneak into a women's bathroom/changing room so I can rape women, I'd better make a script I can give to psychiatrists so they'll diagnose me with this drug, then go through a series of hormone treatments intended to sterilize me until I finally have my penis chopped off before I do it!" is clearly so stupid they wouldn't know what to do if they succeeded.

[–]slavdude0 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because it's painted everywhere as "special/unique women" and not as it should be, so "special/unique men".

[–]IMissPorn 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I wonder how many people were actually misunderstanding, vs. disagreeing.

[–]xoenix 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah exactly. How many lied to virtue signal.

[–]UncleWillard56 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

"I thought it was about people who were into transmissions." proly.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

As a child my uncle's who did a lot of engine work would always use the word "tranny" to describe that and I had no idea it also meant something else till later on.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, transman? That’s the guy that fixed my gearbox innit?

[–]Brewdabier 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is that 1/3 Bio British or immigrant from the middle east.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most people assume that 'trans' entails a full sex change, including physical castration. They have not caught up with the concept of gender self ID, and the activists are perfectly happy not to clarify the distinction, even as they campaign for self ID.

I have gender critical friends who sincerely thought that transwomen underwent uterus transplants and could menstruate. That's how fucked up trans propaganda has become.

[–]OuroborosTheory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

when did the hivemind start insisting "you don't need to be trans to be trans"? 2016?

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The shock data suggests that understanding on the issue is poor because many members of the public simply do not know what some politically correct terms mean.

I figured this out a long time ago. At least 10 years ago I saw an argument taking place on a friend's Facebook timeline. It was a story about "transman forced to play on girls high school wrestling team". I decided to scroll and see what the average Joe types were saying. The arguments were totally nonsense because they all had different ideas of what they were looking at. Many of them agreed with each other but didn't even realize.

I just injected and explained what each word meant. It's actually a girl who wants to be a boy and is not on hormones yet but cut her hair short and the school "forced" her to play on the girl's squad. Everyone was suddenly going "ooooooohhhhhh sorry John Doe i thought x y z".

[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Chavs are not the brightest bulbs on the string.

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

are they retarded what do they think it is then?

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I've seen a lot of people think a trans woman is a woman transitioning to a man. After all the word woman is right there.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I think a lot of people think that having a “sex change” means you actually become the opposite sex.

A soap opera, Coronation Street, about a decade or more ago had a transsexual character, played by an actual woman, and I think that that confused a hell of a lot of people. Edit: fuck me, the character was included in 1998, and was killed in 2014. Way before this shit took off.

Similarly when the Gender Recognition Action 2003 was being passed they had coverage of a child who was born with one of the really rare intersex conditions and the law allowed them to change their birth certificate to align with their actual sex and not the one erroneously recorded at the time of her birth.

So I think a lot of confusion has slipped into the discussion surrounding transgenderism, and the public is generally too busy dealing with their own lives to worry about the random shit that the danger-haired crowd are screeching about.

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

if it was a really perfect sex change couldn't they call them a woman then and not a transwoman

You'd think people would see the word trans in front and then realize what that means. I guess this poll might just mean a third of them are super woke and think it's the same thing.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

People get told “transwomen are women” and “transmen are men” and all dissent is censored and dissenters are threatened, cancelled etc.

It’s not hard to see how someone completely unaware of critical social justice issues or post-modernism or simply not concerned with the culture war, like the vast majority of people, could be confused about the topic when questioned or confused by questions using language they’re not familiar with.

The 2021 census of England and Wales was prime example of how ordinary people and people who have English as a second language or don’t speak English, got utterly confused. There was a question about trans issues on the census and the highest number of trans-identifying people on the census turned out to be in a London borough with the highest population of Muslims and people who don’t speak English - no one thinks that this borough actually has the highest number of trans-identifying people, they know it is because the question was retarded and written by wokists who presumed everyone understood the ridiculous terminology.

[–]William_World 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

it's like saying 2+2 = 5 and 4 at the same time, doublethink. little kids must be confused at first but then eventually begin to accept the double think. After all we know some words have multiple meanings. So now transwoman and woman mean the same thing.

[–]Blackhalo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

transwoman and woman mean the same thing

No they don't. Only in the deluded heads of a trans-activist.

[–]William_World 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the next generation of kids is going to disagree with you, that's why the grooming kids thing is so important to them

[–]Blackhalo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

couldn't they call them a woman

Preferably not. Because they are not, and never will be.

[–]William_World 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yeah so then what do they think the trans part means

[–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When you say trans woman people think of a woman that underwent a transition. You have to look at the definition of the words to see what they mean.

[–]Blackhalo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they just do not understand the terminology

Why would they? It's all made up at some gender studies Uni that has no basis in reality or science to back it up.