Being born in the wrong body is the most question begging question that came out of the Trans movement.

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[–]clownworlddropout 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

We are our bodies, of course, so there is no wrong or right about it. Saying otherwise is just their attempt at legitimizing their desire to mimic the opposite sex. You see this sentiment paired with the "trans brain" myth often, which is of course also malarkey, if there's anything different in their brains it's because they're gay, not trans, because "trans" doesn't exist. "Trans" is something someone does not what someone is.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

We are our bodies

BULLSHIT. That's what the biggest conspiracy known to us wants you to believe. It defies all logic and can only be believed by blind faith in whatever told you it. Don't pull the "science" card; science is only observation of the material world, it does not and is not even able to study non-material matters, so it can say neither yay nor nay. Scientists tend to be atheists because they're rebelling against religion which tends to be hostile to science for some reason, not because science led them to that conclusion. In fact by the scientific method it is ridiculous to think that. Science fundamentally recognizes that everything is cause and effect, so...what was the cause? More likely that this is some nightmare and it's all in your head.

[–]clownworlddropout 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Ok, so let's think about this a bit. You believe we are some sort of disembodied consciousness of some sort? What part of who you are is this "alien" thing? Why are our emotions and instincts geared towards earthly needs and pursuits if our mind is supposed to be from outside our body? What about brain injuries? Destroying a part of the brain destroys an aspect of a person's mind. We have a map of these different locations and the functions they carry out! The mind is a manifestation of our biology, everything points to that reality, so why bring in a totally unnecessary outside agent to explain it?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Check out thousands of NDE testimonials that have been reported on. You are not your body. You are also not in the wrong body, and even if you were, you have to ride it out.

[–]clownworlddropout 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't believe NDE anecdotes, why should I? A person's recollection is spotty enough as is without throwing extreme stress into the mix. No, the soul is nonsense, or whatever rebranded soul 2.0 they're trying to sell these days.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Anecdotes are all you have when it comes to experience, but you'll gladly believe in some scientist claiming something is true without evidence. You haven't even investigated NDEs, yet you've already rejected them.

[–]Athelhilda4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Although I find NDEs a fascinating phenomenon, they don’t prove the existence of souls or an afterlife.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nothing does. Proof is for liquor, but this the best we have. How else would you know or find out? Personal experience is it. Science is not the be all, end all of all truth, and material world is an illusion. Your chair isn't solid.

[–]alladd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't think the ramblings of drug addicts and the mentally ill are going to change my mind. Pretty sure NDEs are bullshit.

You ARE your body. Your mind is a big muscle connected with the rest of your nerves and muscles. It has quite an ego to pretend it's something different.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No, you are not your body and neither am I. You'll see on your death bed.

[–]Dzonatan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How would you know? You been to the other side?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm sure we all have many times.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Because otherwise how are you perceiving that brain's information?

[–]clownworlddropout 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

We don't know exactly how consciousness itself works, but we can demonstrate that all aspects of what make you you can be destroyed by eliminating different regions of the brain. All your memories are in the brain, all your thoughts, all your perceptions. Even if we hypothesize that there is an "observer" of some kind involved in consciousness, whatever that mechanism is wouldn't be you, because what makes you you is your body.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's what's so unsettling. You've forgotten who you are. And most don't want to acknowledge that.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We get into talks of the supernatural we can no longer use science or even logic to really come to any conclusive positions.

The idea that the soul and body are separate is a very Christian idea. I'd even argue there's some practical benefit towards thinking about your thoughts wills and desires as something that is not entirely driven by your physical wants and needs, as after all you can simply decide to ignore your physical urgings although it's not always advised.

This still doesn't really explain the "gendered souls" argument though. Since it sounds pretty retarded to think that something immaterial, sacred, and "perfect" would be limited by any semblance of physical sex especially when religion sees sex as some vulgar concept that should be hidden and repressed.

The christians that believe in the trans ideology really confused me. So you think god has a pile of male and female souls and he accidentally mixed them up? That's fucking retarded. God doesn't make mistakes right? But sometimes he does? Well how do you know that it wasn't a mistake to make you? At this point in the conversation they usually get really angry and I don't get a clear answer. Unfortunate.

[–]UncleWillard56 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The cause is this disorder. Some outlier or mutation, like so many others that have resulted in what humans, and most species, are today. What if you could cure gender dysmorphia/dysphoria? Would trans people take that cure? Or would they resort to just calling it a choice?

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think I would take that cure. It'll never happen though, as long as the establishment finds the trans card a convenient excuse.