"Five Geek Social Fallacies" An interesting look at social relations amongst human outcasts. I think perhaps a driving force behind the Tumblr effect.

submitted by Alienhunter糞大名 from plausiblydeniable.com

sorted by:
top
newinsightfulfun
you are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I was pretty confused the last time I was in the UK and the gay bar was the happening place for straight people to go. Bet that's frustrating as fuck for the gays who want to hook up. But I suppose they have their own "super gay bars" that they understand are for that. At least until they get discovered and "colonized" by the straight women.

I think the problem basically is you can't reasonably discriminate homosexuals and heterosexuals if you opened a "straight bar" or even in the case of a gay bar. It's not like you have to be licensed to be gay, although knowing the state of the UK bureucracy maybe that's actually a thing over there.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I don't think it's legal in the UK for gay male bars to deny entry to women. The only male only spaces that are allowed over there are toilets and changing rooms.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah, can’t see the local council licensing a male only bar serving alcohol, but they will license male-only saunas/bathhouses in England and Wales, and women on site can cause the loss of the licence.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Saunas and bathhouse will have to do. But still, stupid laws.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah, but it’s a result of the equality act 2010, which prevents discrimination on the basis of sex with just a few exceptions. Largely a good thing, but should have been restricted to employment and public services and left private businesses and clubs to make their own rules (like they did for religions in the equal marriage legislation).

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. I agree. The equality act should be amended to exempt private businesses and clubs. Ironically, LGBT groups would oppose that, even though this will obviously benefit gay bars.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think in terms of the concept of a pub sometimes discrimination is what you want. Rarely does it make sense to discriminate on the basis of sex, it's really only a gay bar where that would be of any use.

Generally speaking it's in the club owners best interests to serve everyone who isn't disrupting their business so discrimination laws aren't really needed. Though I think they were necessary for a time in certain areas, like the American deep south following Jim crow. That said the very idea that you can legislate away racism is stupid anyway. If black people aren't welcome at some white bar, making it illegal to deny them service won't fix the problem of them not being welcome, they'll just get vaguely shit service and a cold welcome.