"Five Geek Social Fallacies" An interesting look at social relations amongst human outcasts. I think perhaps a driving force behind the Tumblr effect.

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[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Another example is gay bars. The purpose of gay bars is so that homosexuals can meet each other, in a place where you can assume that the person you like is also gay or bi. Sure, most straight men don’t have an issue with gay men, and some of them would even be flattered (I presume). But it is awkward, and after so many times it gets tiring. But when most of the people at a gay bar are straight, then it defeats the purpose of a gay bar. This is why a lot of gay bars are sex-segregated: straight women don’t want to go to lesbian bars where lesbians or bi women hit on them, and straight men don’t want to go to gay male bars where gay or bi men hit on them. Straight men usually don’t bother go to lesbian bars, but it is trendy for straight women to go to gay male bars so straight men end up going to these bars. And now that transgenderism is universally accepted, straight women pretend to be men to go to gay male bars and straight men pretend to be women to go to lesbian bars.

To be fair, most straight people who go to gay bars know that they are just guests. They go with a friend who is gay or bi and stick with that friend, and they make it clear that they are only there to support their friend. But some straight people go to gay bars because for them it’s like going to the zoo.

I know that most pubs and nightclubs are open to the wider public, regardless of sexual orientation. But if a bar exclusively for heterosexuals was opened up, I wouldn’t object. And if I was invited, I would decline. Unless a friend needed me to accompany him or her, in which case I would stay at my booth so that I don’t draw attention from straight or bi women and end up leading them on.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I was pretty confused the last time I was in the UK and the gay bar was the happening place for straight people to go. Bet that's frustrating as fuck for the gays who want to hook up. But I suppose they have their own "super gay bars" that they understand are for that. At least until they get discovered and "colonized" by the straight women.

I think the problem basically is you can't reasonably discriminate homosexuals and heterosexuals if you opened a "straight bar" or even in the case of a gay bar. It's not like you have to be licensed to be gay, although knowing the state of the UK bureucracy maybe that's actually a thing over there.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I don't think it's legal in the UK for gay male bars to deny entry to women. The only male only spaces that are allowed over there are toilets and changing rooms.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah, can’t see the local council licensing a male only bar serving alcohol, but they will license male-only saunas/bathhouses in England and Wales, and women on site can cause the loss of the licence.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Saunas and bathhouse will have to do. But still, stupid laws.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah, but it’s a result of the equality act 2010, which prevents discrimination on the basis of sex with just a few exceptions. Largely a good thing, but should have been restricted to employment and public services and left private businesses and clubs to make their own rules (like they did for religions in the equal marriage legislation).

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. I agree. The equality act should be amended to exempt private businesses and clubs. Ironically, LGBT groups would oppose that, even though this will obviously benefit gay bars.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think in terms of the concept of a pub sometimes discrimination is what you want. Rarely does it make sense to discriminate on the basis of sex, it's really only a gay bar where that would be of any use.

Generally speaking it's in the club owners best interests to serve everyone who isn't disrupting their business so discrimination laws aren't really needed. Though I think they were necessary for a time in certain areas, like the American deep south following Jim crow. That said the very idea that you can legislate away racism is stupid anyway. If black people aren't welcome at some white bar, making it illegal to deny them service won't fix the problem of them not being welcome, they'll just get vaguely shit service and a cold welcome.

[–]OuroborosTheory 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

and things were never chummy-chummy in the OG LG community (you never hear someone surprised by cattiness and drama among the gays)--there was always an insistence on distance; bar subculture before the 70s was strictly reputation-based--some accept mixed groups, others you'll get The Stare if a bunch of surfer-dude types show up

the closest analogy to today from the 70s was the fad insisting that "everyone's either bi--or in denial!" leading to man/woman couples getting The Stare while trying to find a table in the local gay watering hole

but back then they didn't have the social media Narcissism Machine

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To be honest, I don't like gay culture at all, if I can even call it gay culture. Besides cattyness being an utter turnoff, it's just pleasant to be around. I also don't like the expectation that gay men have to act a certain way, or else they're "not really gay"? It's as if being gay is supposed to be a personality for a lot of people.