If the majority of trans people know that the surgical penis/vagina is nothing like a biological one,why are 97% happy with getting surgery then?

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[–]ClassroomPast6178 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Ever noticed how they pathologically crave external validation?

That’s why.

They don’t look like women/men, they don’t have penes/vaginas and they know it. So they look for validation from everyone else, and if they can’t get it voluntarily, they try to enforce it by law.

It’s fucking tragic. For want of proper psychiatric care or, for the fetishists, a stern talking to, physically healthy (mentally, not so much) people are being mutilated by a craven, greedy, ideologically possessed medical establishment enthusiastically aided and abetted by a political class that is so ideologically puritanical that it will brook no debate.

The reckoning for all this, when it comes, is going to be awful.

[–]jacques1102[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And this is where i question the"Majority are happy after getting surgery stats."This whole ideology in itself is filled with contradictions that i'm shocked that it's lasted this long.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The underlying philosophy has contempt for and wholly rejects logic, so it’s not surprising that there are logical inconsistencies and contradictions in anything built from it.

They reject the system of thought that built the world we see, everything from the systems of law to the electronic devices we use, and wish to replace it with the ramblings of paedophiles, narcissists, grifters and the mentally ill.

At this point I think there is a sizeable contingent that are operating on the sunk cost fallacy, particularly those with massive student debts from their women’s studies/gender studies/queer studies/black studies/etc based degrees and postgrad qualifications. Then those that understand the bankrupt nature of the philosophy but are just riding the money train (eg Ibram X Kendi, Robin Diangelo) and those that are too stupid to know but see others following so go along with it (the useful idiots), and that is most of the media and political class who will ditch all this when the wind changes but for now will take a knee for it.

The last group are the malevolent actors, the paedos, predators etc. they just can’t be killed they keep popping up (Nambla/PIE etc) and will always use whatever they can to get the access they want to the vulnerable they prey on (children, women, disabled etc).

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What they define "happiness" is not wanting to take your own life. Anything to convince themselves that they have not made a huge mistake.

[–]Newzok 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It's weirdly about validation, in my limited experience. The line was, "I can't go and have sex because they don't know I'm really a man inside and it would be like lying to them. And while they're with me, they will see me as a woman, which makes me uncomfortable". So it seems like it's about being perceived a certain way. I'm so glad I don't have this.

[–]alladd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

it's only about perception after the attempt to pass fails. it's a consolation prize for the impossibility of actually changing bio sex. like the way some people have kids because they think it'll save their marriages but the parents are still miserable so the new 'road to happiness' becomes making the kids successful so you can live vicariously through them etc. - in both cases neither can accept that the problem is in them, and not outside them.

[–]Newzok 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I wonder how this can be such a potent idea that it has spread to this extent. I'm guessing the, for lack of a better word, advertising has a lot to do with it. But it puzzles me to no end.

Like someone in here said, this shit spreads like wildfire in Special Ed classes. So there's something there...

[–]alladd 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think it's incredibly simple. And yes advertising is part of it, but really it's just our culture of narcissism playing out differently in different people.

Narcissism (a need to identify, "main character syndrome", causes lack of empathy/inability to imagine the feelings of others) plus lack of social skills = a person who wants to possess intimacy and closeness with the opposite sex but lacks the social skills to accomplish it.

they try to cut out the middle man by transitioning, thus possessing the transcendent "other" permanently. they justify the transition with the same narcissism which says that the rules (and reality) don't apply to them, because they're the "main character" - "the surgery didn't work on any of them, but it will for me!". it fails for all the reasons narcissism always fails, thus the exponential need for more and more transgression.

same reason people get plastic surgery, or cheat, or become influencers. it's all just different varities of trying and failing to fill the same internal emptiness. the only thing that actually works is empathy.

[–]Newzok 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Interesting. It sounds like you got some experience with it?

So how does one counteract this? All I can do is to be a friend and give a listening ear, I guess.

[–]alladd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

it's the lead a horse to water thing. you can't really help people who won't help themselves. the best thing you can do is encourage them to get therapy, and then hope the therapist is good enough to get them to confront their ego. but mental change is hard, hard as physical change. is it any wonder why people prefer to believe the world revolves around them?