[Ouch] Off-topic perhaps, but let's watch failing Don Lemon get wrecked on TV.

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[–]LtGreenCo 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm so tired of the colonialism bullshit. Okay, your people lost a territorial dispute at some point in the past... so, pretty much par for the course in all of human history. Maybe consider yourself lucky that some of your people were assimilated rather than entirely wiped from the face of the planet.

[–]jet199 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's funny that's it's usually the ex-empires who are the most pissed off by western colonialism.

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You don't see any of this silly colonialism shit popping up in Asian, Middle Eastern, or African societies. You know why? Because none of them ever made the colossal mistake of apologizing for it; they conquered others, occupied their lands, and imposed their cultures on the survivors--and, occasionally, did some pretty ugly shit to ensure that there wouldn't be any survivors, period--and that was that.

Only in European, and Europe-descended, nations did the idea take hold that being better at putting a boot to people was somehow shameful. And that opened to the door to the whole construct that, rather than just learning from the past and not repeating the egregious bits (like slavery and genocide), we need to endlessly milk it for guilt and gibs.

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly, even milking it for guilt is beyond just the anger at colonialism aspect in too many positions. I live in the one state in the US where part of the history of the state means there is conclusive, undeniable, admitted evidence from day 1 that the founder of the colony went to the Native tribe that lived here, paid that tribe a fair market rate by 1600s standards to legitimately buy the land, made it clear to the native tribe that he was paying them for the land and the right to live there, and still allowed the native tribe to live there alongside the colonists who would come there.

And yet there's still demands it's stolen land here and that reparations and the land needs to be given back to the tribe it was "stolen" from even though it's admitted 'no, it was totally bought.' In doing so, it's not even colonisation, it's stealing a game system from Gamestop and giving it back to the person who traded it in originally.

[–]SerpensInferna 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most blacks are too stupid and intentionally uneducated to realize they got the better end of the bargain. They'd rather chimp out than try to make a better life for their children, it seems. And that's why they occupy the position they do, unlike the Indians or Asians who take advantage of the opportunities present in the USA.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Tonight on Fox: When Gotchas Go Wrong!

[–]slavdude0 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Reparations lead to neverending cycle. Let's assume that X gives reparations to Y. It will inevitably criple the X so in next decades X will blame Y and demand reparations.

Fuck reparations. All of em. Even ones I would profit from.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Reparations led to the holocaust, or at least that’s what I was taught in my highschool history.

And those were reparations being paid by the people who had actually done the no-no, not their great-great-great-great-grandchildren after they not only stopped doing the no-no themselves, but spent large quantities of blood and treasure trying to wipe the no-no from the face of the earth.

[–]SerpensInferna 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's the bigger thing - reparations will do absolutely nothing to repair race relations. Let's be honest, the majority of American blacks who receive reparations will continue to do as they have always done and that money will be pissed away in a generation or two, and that's being generous. On the other side of the coin, taking money and opportunities away from whites (many of whom are poor as well), and more recent immigrant populations like Indians, Asians, or pick a Slavic country that had nothing to do with colonialism or slavery, will become incredibly resentful and lash back out in whatever way they can.

[–]fuck_redditThou/Thee/Thy 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Slavs were arguably greater victims of slavery for longer than blacks, and with less participation of their racial compatriots.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Reparations really only make sense in very narrow circumstances and in shorter timescales. It made sense to pay reparations to the Japanese internment camp residents since you can very clearly document who was the victim and what they lost. But even that is a big administrative headache.

Reparations for slavery I agree with only in the sense that if you can identify a living slave and slave owner in the modern era, then the slave owner needs to be punished and the slave needs to be compensated. But we can't go about giving reparations to people who were never slaves just because maybe their distant ancestor was when both slave and slave owner are long dead buried and forgotten. They have both experienced the one great equalizer of all men and will have their justice in the next life, but it's no longer the concern of mortals beyond an entry in the pages of history.

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's just silly.

The never ending cycle never gives reparations to X. Rather, Y's children also demand you cut them a check, and their children's children, and their children's children, and so on.

[–]PerpetuallyLethargic 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's what pisses me off about the whole damn thing. Because even if people were inclined to try and make it work, you'd have to determine how much is owed to whom. And who makes that decision? How do you even decide who makes that decision? You're never going to find anyone who's neutral enough to be fair about it.

But then again, the people demanding shit don't want it to be fair, do they? They want to live the good life and they don't care who has to pay for it now or what it'll inevitably lead to in the future.

[–]t_deaf[S] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

"...........it's an interesting discussion"

LOL

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah, and totally not the one he wanted to have on camera either. None of the African slavery reparation advocates ever want that chain of responsibility followed back to its ultimate source, and for Lemon to get slapped in the face with it like that (and on live TV no less) is probably their personal nightmare.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Has he praised “The Woman King” yet?

[–]LordoftheFliesAmeri-kin 2.0. Pronouns: MegaWhite/SuperStraight/UltraPatriarchy 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know, I don't waste any of my lifespan intentionally seeking out muppets for their smoothbrained talking points.

[–]clownworlddropout 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That was glorious, damn.

[–]noseburp 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who started the slave trade?