The root cause of America’s radicalization and polarization problem

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[–]Chipit 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Yeesh, 2001-2004 was horrible. People unironically calling Bush Bu$hitler and saying he was going to implement a fascist dictatorship. You know Trump Derangement Syndrome? Back then it was called Bush Derangement Syndrome.

And then when Bush was re-elected in 2004, journalists were completely baffled. They did not know anyone who didn't vote for the Democrat and were utterly in the dark about anything outside of their own circles. They sent reporters into darkest middle America to find out what the fuck had happened and how people could be so stupid as to vote for anything but what others thought was best for them. A book, "What's the Matter with Kansas?" spent years on the best-seller lists. Its conclusion was that Americans are too stupid to be allowed to vote and decide what kind of government they want.

[–]Haylstorm 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

People are always like this. Some uni students are despised where I am cause they're like that. Go into a local's pub and let them know they voted liberal democrat or labour for them, aren't you happy i'm helping you? Only to find that people in there voted conservative. Then they get pissy about people voting against their own self interest and basically call them idiots and wonder why no one there is receptive to listening to them. Then they don't listen to WHY people have voted conservative, just continue to call them idiots. Not really helping their case there if you've ever met the stubborn old man at the pub who doesn't like being told what to do.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

One of the main things you learn as you get older is that no one votes against their interests.

Rather you just don't understand what their interests are.

People get the politicians the deserve.

[–]Haylstorm 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly a lot of it just seemed to be that they didn't get people had other priorities. The business owner you're talking to doesn't care about family tax breaks but is pretty interested in the business grants a party might want to offer. It's like they don't want to even think about the reasons people might have, they just think the person is stupid and dumb for it. Def pushes people more away.

[–]LyingSpirit472 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

You know Trump Derangement Syndrome? Back then it was called Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Honestly, this ties to the smoking gun for my claim the 2000 election was the tipping point. It's also important to remember that in 2008-2016, it would have been Obama Derangement Syndrome too...and what is the reaction we get now if not Biden Derangement Syndrome?

It's no one derangement syndrome for one party as much as it is an overarching "My guy LOST!" issue both parties have.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Nah there was no such thing as ODS. People were not losing their shit in public. Not even like it was for Bu$hitler. You'd be reading some thread on fark.com about a tornado in Kansas or something and people would just start foaming at the mouth and screaming for no reason. It was disturbing, and just as bad as TDS. Now, Bu$hitler is fondly remembered as a good guy who just had some bad advice. A painter, an artist, a sensitive soul. Instead of the second coming of fascism and Adolf Hitler, like BDS sufferers constantly shouted.

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

...the Tea Party, and with it the seeds of Trump getting power, formed based on ODS. It's not like every single Republican took Obama's win with kindness and decency and said 'he's not my choice but I hope he does a good job' either. People were losing their shit for him just as much as Bush.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Nah. It wasn't even in the same league.

The Tea Party formed because it was obvious that the GOP didn't represent its voters. Something DC is raging about today as they get their nice comfortable party taken over by the people. They're furious.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Please. If you don't believe the Tea Party had a undercurrent of Obama Derangement Syndrome as well and you truly believe every Republican was a good, honest person who truly put all their support behind Obama and had no problem with him being in charge, then you're either blind, stupid, or were one of them and don't want to admit that Republicans can be as bad as Democrats. I'd say you'd probably think Biden Derangement Syndrome has nothing to do with "Biden won" and everything to do with whatever good reason you point to, but Democrats would have said "no, no, we had good reasons to hate Bush/Trump" too.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Bush Derangement Syndrome was nothing like the reaction to Obama. Literally not the same thing. Not in the same ballpark, not even the same sport.

And Trump Derangement Syndrome was over the top. People literally checked themselves into mental hospitals because they couldn't handle it.

There's literally nothing such as Biden derangement syndrome. It doesn't exist.

you truly believe every Republican was a good, honest person who truly put all their support behind Obama and had no problem with him being in charge, then you're either blind, stupid, or were one of them and don't want to admit that Republicans can be as bad as Democrats.

"An absurd absolute is a restatement of the other person's reasonable position as an absurd absolute. For example, if your point is there is high crime in Detroit, the absurd absolute would be your debate opponent saying something such as "So, you're saying every person in Detroit is a criminal." When your debate opponent recasts your opinion to include an "absolute" word, such as every, always, never, all, completely, universally, and the like, you are seeing cognitive dissonance.

Some people call what I just described a strawman argument. But a strawman argument refers to any sort of inaccurate recasting of your opponent's argument. That is the generic case. I'm referring to a specific strawman argument that uses an absurd absolute. When your debate opponent recasts your point as an absurd absolute, you won the debate. That's as far as you can go."

https://www.scottadamssays.com/2017/05/15/how-to-know-you-won-a-political-debate-on-the/

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

On the second claim, then my reasoning to use an absolute there is:

Bush Derangement Syndrome was nothing like the reaction to Obama. Literally not the same thing. Not in the same ballpark, not even the same sport.

It was. It absolutely was. MAYBE, if I want to give you SOME point, it was because people were so deranged about Bush that Republicans gave it back to them over Obama, then it might have a case, but Republicans were as deranged over Obama as Democrats were over Bush. And even giving that POSSIBLE reason, it goes to...

There's literally nothing such as Biden derangement syndrome. It doesn't exist.

...yeah, if you claim absolutes, you are absolutely a moron if you believe Biden Derangement Syndrome doesn't exist, you are absolutely so pro-Trump you believe every single Trump supporter firmly was in the side of Biden even though people literally tried to rush the Capitol to try and overthrow the election results because they believed the election was stolen, not only are you absolutely blind if you truly believe Biden Derangement Syndrome doesn't exist, but you probably don't even know Braille to feel out the fact that Biden Derangement Syndrome absolutely exists, just like Obama Derangement Syndrome absolutely existed- and to deny it just proves you are absolutely doing the same accusation of cognitive dissonance you accuse me of. Never before in the history of humanity have the words "no u" been more accurate.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Republicans were as deranged over Obama as Democrats were over Bush.

Nope. Didn't happen. People didn't freak out in the middle of completely unrelated threads and start spittle-flecked rants. Under Bush, I mean Bu$hitler, that happened regularly. Everyone noticed and Bush Derangement Syndrome was coined.

absolutely doing the same accusation of cognitive dissonance you accuse me of.

Yeah, you're using absurd absolutes again. The two sides aren't the same and stop gaslighting everyone.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

If I'm using absurd absolutes, it's because you, personally, are absurd and doing the same thing. You are the one saying literally every single Republican ever were fully on board with Obama and Biden from the second they won the election and wanted nothing more than for them to succeed, which is so blatantly false you're the one gaslighting people too. They ARE exactly the same, and it's not absurd in the least to say if you disagree you're objectively wrong.