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[–]LyingSpirit472 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Even if there's a small chance pedos will be more likely to offend and learn ways to justify their behavior with therapy, there's a astronomically higher chance that the rehabilitation plan of"pedos face the wall" will lead to making pedos more likely to offend. If the rule becomes "If I molest a child, I will be killed. If I consume CP, whether drawn or real, I will be killed. If anyone finds out I'm attracted to children, I will be killed. If I try to seek help to cure this condition, the doctors/therapists are duty-bound to call the cops and I will be killed"... well, in that case more and more people will go to "...well, if I'm going to be killed no matter what, then I might as well molest a child and at least fulfill this one sexual fantasy I have before they kill me."

This is more exacerbated because most offending pedophiles were, themselves, molested as a child, which means inevitably to really stop pedos, you'll also have to give the child they molested the woodchipper as well (can't give them therapy, they'll justify offending in the future amirite?)...which will only give the pedophile even more power over their victim since "...if you tell anyone what we're doing, they won't just kill me, they'll also kill you for it..." is guaranteed to keep kids silent about their abuse.

The amount of problems for just "pedos face the wall" vs. "let non-offending pedophiles seek help without fear of arrest" is so great that if someone says "pedos face the wall" as the only way to do it, I have to assume they, themselves, are a pedophile trying to plot to put things on easy mode.

[–]DirewolfGhost 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Woodchipper the pedo, castrate the child, guillotine the parent? Just a joke.

The funniest thing is the establishment is losing legitimacy because they can't hold their pedo blackmail circles together. Too many loose ends.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

This is just bullshit and not how offending works at all.

The main thing stopping paedos offending is the social shame and hate.

Any indication that child rape is acceptable and offending rates go up.

It's not a small change that paedos offend more if given therapy, it's a large percentage observed over and over again.

It's not a large chance paedos will offend more if there is hate and strict punishment, that's literally the opposite of what happens every time.

Men, yes even men, will not sexually abuse people if their lives are at risk and they think they will get caught.

You seem to have fallen for the lie that sex offenders just can't help themselves. This is nonsense. They can help themselves which is why they can spend years getting into a position of trust or years grooming a victim before acting at all. It's planned.

You have also fallen for the lie that most paedophiles were abused as children. They often concoct a story of a bad childhood to get sympathy but compulsive liar do that. Research shows torturing animals as a child is more likely to lead to someone abusing kids than being abused themselves. These people are psychopaths and sadists. And that's a horrible myth to repeat as abuse victims often avoid having relationships or kids because they are scared of become abusers when that's actually not a risk (more so their kids are at risk because abused victims tend to let questionable people into their lives).

Sorry you understand how human beings work.

[–]LyingSpirit472 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This is just bullshit and not how offending works at all.

Never before in the history of humanity have the words "no u" been as true as they are right now.

The main thing stopping paedos offending is the social shame and hate.

Social shame and hatred does nothing stop people from doing something unsavory- if someone REALLY wants to commit an offense, they don't care they're breaking a social taboo or will be hated for doing it. EVEN ASSUMING for one second the "a sexual preference will be acted on" claim you're making, then it also comes into play for "Love conquers all" overtaking social shame in sexual preference, and the response of a pedo to social shame and hate would be "I'm in love with this child, even if I'm breaking a social taboo and will be hated for it, it's worth it so we can be together, and our love is so pure and true it'll make people understand". That's why the concept of punishment exists- to make sure if someone does decide they don't care about social shame or hatred, they WILL have a notable consequence that will not be good for them.

Any indication that child rape is acceptable and offending rates go up.

And likewise, any indication that punishment is too draconian leads to people committing even worse crimes than they normally would. "The penalty for being late; death- the penalty for revolution; death" would come into play.

It's not a small change that paedos offend more if given therapy, it's a large percentage observed over and over again.

Even therapists/rehabilitation workers know that for it to work, the person has to truly want to change and get better. If someone is actively seeking help themselves, that's a pretty good sign they WON'T reoffend. The people forced into therapy/rehabilitation are the ones who'll fall off the wagon and reoffend.

It's not a large chance paedos will offend more if there is hate and strict punishment, that's literally the opposite of what happens every time.

On the contrary- part of punishments working is that it needs a sliding scale of punishment so that there's always something more you can lose. This is important because once someone truly has nothing to lose, they are more dangerous than they will ever be because you can't take anything else away from them...if anything, they're defending themselves if they keep going further and further down.

Strict zero tolerance punishments lead to people who are already caught for something on the minor end of the crime now having nothing to lose, and so they'll commit even bigger atrocities of crimes than they normally would. I mean, you can't put someone in the woodchipper twice.

We're even seeing this in real time as zero tolerance bullying policies -> bullies weaponizing that policy to hurt their victims more -> the victim goes into a realm of hopelessness where they can't get out of it -> they pass the event horizon of "it's him or me. I need to kill my bully if I want to survive", and from there "...they can't give me double the punishment, especially if I plan to die in the attack, might as well get everyone else I don't like" -> more school shootings.

Men, yes even men, will not sexually abuse people if their lives are at risk and they think they will get caught.

And likewise, if a person's life is at risk for something on the low end of the spectrum, then nothing is keeping them from doing things on the high end of the spectrum. Their life is just as forfeit for doing the smaller crime, might as well do the larger crime.

You seem to have fallen for the lie that sex offenders just can't help themselves. This is nonsense. They can help themselves which is why they can spend years getting into a position of trust or years grooming a victim before acting at all. It's planned.

You seem to know a lot about how pedos operate, and you want to make things easier for pedos to molest children and get away with it. Do you have something you want to tell the class?

You have also fallen for the lie that most paedophiles were abused as children. They often concoct a story of a bad childhood to get sympathy but compulsive liar do that. Research shows torturing animals as a child is more likely to lead to someone abusing kids than being abused themselves. These people are psychopaths and sadists. And that's a horrible myth to repeat as abuse victims often avoid having relationships or kids because they are scared of become abusers when that's actually not a risk (more so their kids are at risk because abused victims tend to let questionable people into their lives).

And yet, all of the statistics do show pedophiles were molested as kids in the beginning, which is what told them it was okay to have sex with children. Yes, abusing animals also helps- and just because many abuse victims do not doesn't mean every abuse victim is innocent.

Sorry you understand how human beings work.

It's a miracle! You finally said something right in your whole spiel. I DO understand how human beings work, and it's "when your back is against the wall already, you're more dangerous than you will ever be in your life!"

EDIT: See? I can use formatting to show the important words too! I mean, it's not as good as bringing sock puppets from your pedophile buddies to say otherwise, but it works!

[–]Queen_Bread 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'm sorry but if you were to ask me who, between you and jet99, is more likely to be a closet pedophile, I would definitely say it's you.

[–]LyingSpirit472 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ok jet99, thanks for your alt account giving its opinion too. Drive off in your white van, put down the candy and let the little boy go.

[–]BiHorror 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You have also fallen for the lie that most paedophiles were abused as children. They often concoct a story of a bad childhood to get sympathy but compulsive liar do that.

There's literal studies on this. On why pedophilia happens and what causes it. With this being the one of the top ones due to their brain development differing compared to a child's who wouldn't have been abused.

[–]BiHorror 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

This is more exacerbated because most offending pedophiles were, themselves, molested as a child, which means inevitably to really stop pedos, you'll also have to give the child they molested the woodchipper as well

This, fucking thank you! I'm depised the mental illness but I understand that these people need help. I was groomed as a child, and this "face the wall" worries me too. Because, what people don't understand that most pedos were also CSA survivors themselves. So, what then? Are we just gonna start going after survivors? Regardless if they do gain the illness or not? How will that even work?

Not to mention, that the diagnosis age limit starts at 14 to 15 years old. Are we gonna make teengers (who, remember, were sexually abused as children and their brain developed this way because of the trauma) "face the wall?"

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So, what then? Are we just gonna start going after survivors? Regardless if they do gain the illness or not? How will that even work?

That's the worst part: As I said, inevitably if it happened, it'd become: "The pedos face the wall -> to stop them at the core, they go after CSA survivors -> To start going after survivors, they start with the obvious one- the survivors who admitted their abuse, aka the kids who came forward -> Suddenly, the pedophile has a brand new weapon in their arsenal to keep their victims silent in "if you tell your parents/teachers/cops/an authority figure, they're going to kill you too, not just me".

[–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they, themselves

oh snap! shots fired!