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[–]Newzok 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Well I reckon it'll go back to being frowned upon but this time with the association of fucking up the youth. I really wish that wasn't part of all of this.

Putting my conspiracy hat on, it feels like a way for the powers that be to completely subvert the progress we've made- this shit is alienating and atomising and gets everywhere like the proverbial sand. Look no further than the pride flag... We're going from a group that was, if not entirely a community, at least generally unified towards a common goal. Now it's a woke mess and trans discourse takes over in just about every group, small or large(a friend told of a little gay social circle that met now and then. In with the trans, and soon it was all the group was about. He left, as did a few others). With all the uncritical push for tq+ and the amount of money that must be spent; corporate policy, media outlets, health centres, the censorship on social platforms - is it strange that it seems like some organisation is pulling the strings? Without massive funding to back it, this tiny group would remain the niche curiosity that it is.

[–]Chipit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The T are just a battering ram being used to wreck our society. When their job is done they will be unceremoniously dumped by the wayside. You know, just like what happened with the gays. The gay white male is the new straight white male. You can call people like Pete Buttigeg or Glenn Greenwald or Dave Rubin disgusting faggots in polite society and nobody will bat an eye. Lesbians are called deplorable bigots all the time for refusing to suck the clit just because it is an outie.

A lot of us saw this coming a long way off, but you just called us disgusting bigots and refused to listen. We saw clearly that gay marriage was going to lead to trans, and after that pedo. And what's happened? I'm sure it felt good while you were doing it, though. I hope it was worth the feeling of self-righteousness.

[–]Newzok 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well I agree with your first paragraph. But who could have foreseen the massive psy-op that followed? Trans people already had rights. There's just an insane amount of visibility and demoralisation now because of, well, outside influence. Don't push the wokies' modus operandi onto the gays, man. We're through with this shit, as are the lesbos. This is something pushed by the PMC and half-studied academic women, backed by billionaire-funded think-tanks.

[–]Chipit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You got the ball rolling. And now the Frankenstein monster you built is tearing you apart. If there had only been some warning! Oh wait people like me were shouting from the rooftops and all you did was call us bigots and censor us.

[–]Newzok 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it probably was more polarised in America, but then everything is. No need to be salty at me, man. We got gay marriage(which I'm personally skeptical towards but ah well) yonks ago in my country and we were happy to just fade out of the public eye, which happened for about a decade over here. Note that none of this woke shit was an issue until it started bubbling up around 2015...

[–]wylanderuk 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Nah it looks more like activists had to find something else to be activists about because it was the activism that is the end goal not say gay marriage or legal equality.

Oh aye and lets not try and airbrush some of the absolute cunts that you had in the GL part of LGBT.

Fuck just look at political lesbians for instance.

[–]On_WheelsWe need to secure the existence of the gay race 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

People get (understandably) worried and angry if they feel their children are being corrupted or led astray. Still if that's the full extent of the regression...

Oof sorry to hear about you friend's little social circle, why do trans need to be a bunch of attention whores, doesn't that go against the whole idea of passing as the other sex? Funny you mention a conspiracy, I've thought the same as well, this whole phenomenon is way too sudden and way too powerful for some people to not have been conspiring to bring it about. I do have some ideas on who and why might be supporting the transsexualism, even if it does sound a bit kooky:

  1. Biotech/Pharmaceutical corporations wanting a more widespread acceptance and usage of hormones. Having most of the population buying your hormones and going under the blade so they can appear as the "gender" they "really are" would usher in enormous profits. The now private said s/LGBDropTheT actually had a few articles discussing the connections between transsexuals and big pharma.

  2. Activists without a job. With the gay marriage in America being legalized in 2015, and with a majority of the populace showing an acceptance of LGBT people, suddenly a lot of activists and organizations who had their livelihoods dependent on the fact said LGBT people weren't accepted found themselves out of a job. Solution? Turn towards the kookier members of the T and the Q. Keep pushing for the most nonsensical and insignificant rights of an extreme minority of the populace and keep that gravy train rolling, even if it means the other three letters got to suffer for it. Think Stonewall (UK) is an example of this.

  3. Anyone wanting to roll back LGB rights. If you're someone who despises LGB but know it's now unacceptable to speak out against them, what would you do? Well you keep pushing for more and more extreme and malevolent actions among the T, hoping that when public opinion turns against trans you can remove lesbian and gay rights too. A combination of guilt by association and accelerationism. Probably not true, but I wouldn't be surprised if fanatics were considering this idea seriously on some remote corner of the internet.

[–]Newzok 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think your first point is a big part of it. Big pharma have their fingers in every damn pie and it wouldn't surprise me if they were to blame. This is a huge source of revenue, and as long as it keeps coming they'll keep pushing it. Sad as it is, the way to become an accepted minority in this system is to become a demographic it's profitable to sell things to.

I'm not too sure about the idea that activists ran out of issues. Most mellow out after a certain age.

A lot of this is traceable back to academia it seems, i.e gender studies, queer theory etc. Without academic clout, the whole movement has no legs. But it's necessary for it to gain acceptance through schools, institutions and so on. It seems damn huge if it involves so many aspects, but it's not exactly unheard of that universities are used as a way to subvert the status quo. In the end, you get clown world, people can't agree on anything because everything is subjective, alienation and atomization is huge, big corporations make all the money and nobody ever talks about class differences, grass roots organisation or real issues that have tangible effects.

[–]On_WheelsWe need to secure the existence of the gay race 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's repugnant, but it makes too much sense. Big pharma has its hands on this transsexual phenomenon, there is simply far too much to gain for them not to be involved with. I don't know how true that last statement is, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

Didn't think about it, but a lot of this started manifesting in universities. Where the most curious and open-minded people congregate, it makes sense for sexual norms and eventually, sexual identity itself to have been questioned. As the student body graduated and transsexuality memes became more widespread among the campus it'd eventually spread into wider society, especially if there are other interests friendly to it. A little sad to see how successful it's been at distracting leftists and so many intelligent people from issues affecting the environment and most of the population. I don't want to invoke the fallacy of "Appeal to Worse Problems" (if trans right are indeed a worse problem), but there seems to me to exist a gross imbalance between the attention paid to trans issues and the amount of people it actually affects.

[–]Newzok 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah it feels ridiculous to even talk about it, it's the tiniest minority and in the scheme of things, not even a human rights issue, it's a social one. Pollution, environmental issues, even just health issues should take precedent.