Trump and 18 allies charged in Georgia election meddling as former president faces 4th criminal case

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[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

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The good news is that presidents won't be able to pardon him on these charges, because they're state charges. And in Georgia to apply for a pardon "You must have completed all sentence(s) imposed upon you at least five (5) years prior to applying and have lived a law-abiding life since the completion of your sentence(s)." The chance of Trump living a law-abiding life for five years after he gets out is negligible, and by then he would have served his sentence.

[–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

ur gon be sad when its removed to federal court and dismissed with prejudice, then the AG is indicted for malicious prosecution

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

It would be disappointing if its removed to federal court. The chances are very much against it.

The prosecution is not malicious. A conspiracy to commit election fraud and turn the votes in Georgia from Biden to Trump is very much illegal.

Impersonating the electoral college electors is illegal. Faking official documents to say that they are the genuine electors is illegal. Breaching voting machines is illegal. Knowingly lying to public officials is illegal. Georgia's rico act is broad enough that organizing to do these things falls under the act.

Even if the case is moved to federal court (again, unlikely), they will be applying Georgia law, and the case looks very strong:

Georgia indictment lays out Trump election plot in all its shocking detail

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

not malicious

And I have some lovely oceanfront property for sale in Utah, if you're interested.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

You think prosecuting the crimes laid out in such detail is malicious prosecution?

I'm not following your reasoning. Do you think the 41 counts of crimes in it, including 13 against Trump, aren't crimes?

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

If they specified a different count for every letter of e.g. the tweet where he told people to watch the news in furtherance of the conspiracy it could be 41,000 counts

It's bullshit and you're not smart enough to smell through it.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

If they specified a different count for every letter of e.g. the tweet where he told people to watch the news in furtherance of the conspiracy it could be 41,000 counts

If.

It's bullshit and you're not smart enough to smell through it.

Okay. Let's start at the top.

Introduction

Defendant Donald John Trump lost the United States presidential election held on November 3, 2020. One of the states he lost was Georgia. Trump and the other Defendants charged in this Indictment refused to accept that Trump lost, and they knowingly and willfully joined conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the election in favor of Trump. That conspiracy contained common plan and purpose to commit two or more acts of racketeering activity in Fulton County, Georgia, elsewhere in the State of Georgia, and in other states.

That's the introduction to count 1 of 41, the VIOLATION OF THE GEORGIA RICO (RACKETEER INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS) ACT, O.C.G.A. 16-14-4(c).

What's the bullshit here? The crime exists.

The False Statements to and Solicitation of State Legislatures happened. We have records of the hearings.

The False Statements to and Solicitation of High Ranking State Officials happened. We have testimony of those officials.

The Creation and Distribution of False Electoral College Documents happened. We have the false electoral college documents.

The Harassment and Intimidation of Fulton County Election Worker Ruby Freeman happened. That's why she had to move house.

The Solicitation of High-Ranking United States Department of Justice Officials happened. We have recordings of the conversations.

The Solicitation of the Vice President of the United States happened. We have testimony.

The Unlawful Breach of Election Equipment in Georgia and Elsewhere happened. We have electronic forensic evidence and video footage.

The Obstructive Acts in Furtherance of the Conspiracy and the Cover Up happened. The details of the acts are laid out in the following 51 pages.

So I'm having trouble understanding what the bullshit is in the case of the first of the 41 crimes. Can you elaborate, what your specific problem with it is?

Or do you want to concede that that one isn't bullshit, and we should go on to count 2?

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

let's not start at the top. I don't need to read any of it, though I did. It's an orangemanbad suit and political. If it weren't political it wouldn't have been timed to "hurt' him during the primaries.

The fun part comes in discovery, if it gets as far as that. You're gonna feel pretty stupid when you realize there's no ham in your ham sammich hahaha

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

let's not start at the top. I don't need to read any of it, though I did.

Is there anything you can say to support your view that its' bullshit?

If it weren't political it wouldn't have been timed to "hurt' him during the primaries.

That's your evidence. That the investigation took time?

The wheels of justice do turn slowly. But they're going as fast as they can because the american people have a right to know before the primaries.

It won't hurt trump in the primaries. He fundraisers off these things.

The fun part comes in discovery, if it gets as far as that.

The prosecution has all the evidence that they have laid out in the indictment. What do you think happens in criminal discovery?

You're gonna feel pretty stupid when you realize there's no ham in your ham sammich hahaha

Is there any of those points making up count 1 that didn't happen?

I can't see it, and there's 40 other counts.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You're asking me to debunk the number of times they stirred your orangemanbad flavored kool-aid bro it's literally only worth the effort to poke at you for being a retard on this subject, not actually engage in counting stirs of the orangemanbad spoon