The Fatal Attraction of Techno-Fascism

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I really appreciate that Buckminster Fuller quote. Another user said something similar to me recently, and it has been lingering on my mind for sometime. I DO appreciate your words, and I agree with you. Oftentimes, my words on the internet feel cold to me. In person, we would not have this problem, I assure you. My looks and my demeanor really help putting people at ease, especially during two-way conversations. If it is a one-way conversation, as in I am talking to a brick wall.... well, my tongue can be sharp, and my words cold. I certainly do not want to turn those on you, someone who has offered me good words and reasoned opinions. This was a two-way conversation.... we are both willing to learn from each other.

I agree with your sentiments, and I will enjoy meeting with you in other threads. edit: your comment about the spiral of life made me think of the Music of the Spheres. It is a really interesting concept to me, and I wonder if there is reality to it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I appreciate your thoughts and yes we are testing each other as equals before we start looking for things to fight about or pick a fucking side so we can fight about the middle and be conquered. For myself this is one of the first times on saidit that this has happened. This conversation is a breath of fresh air from most of the commenting I have done back and forth. Please list the subs you like and I will check them out. I don't really look for stuff on saidit. I usually wake up with coffee and read stuff on the NEW page and then my day starts. This is a new avatar name ephemeral, but I have been on saidit since the beginning a few years ago. I wanted to be part of this to see a brand new social media platform grow from scratch. It has been enlightening to see the changes it has gone through.

I'm tell'n ya...Bucky is my hero and love most everything I have read about him. Bucky wrote "Your Private Sky the art of design" and a complementary book (cannot find the complementary book online: https://www.amazon.com/Your-Private-Sky-Buckminster-Science/dp/3037785241). In this book is a copy of a hand written letter Mr. Fuller wrote to Einstein. It is difficult to read not because his hand writing is too bad, but the phrasing and words used are hard to get your mind around. The best part is his secretary was a magician and would rewrite his letters. On the opposite page is her rewrite of the letter. This personal view of Bucky's mind and how he uses word/language is unique and powerful. To push my point and risk you getting bored with my Bucky fest I give you two more quotes from him. Both are about writing and one is specific to poets, which he professes he is not a poet. The first quote is about the act of repetition and is his explanation why repetition is necessary for the development of new cognitive information. I added (thinkers).

“It is the writer's (thinkers) experience that new degrees of comprehension are always and only consequent to ever-renewed review of the spontaneously rearranged inventory of significant factors (words/phrasing). This awareness of the processes leading to new degrees of comprehension spontaneously motivates the writer to describe over and over again what-to the careless listener or reader-might seem to be tiresome repetition, but to the successful explorer is known to be essential mustering of operational strategies from which alone new thrusts of comprehension can be successfully accomplished (editing thought patterns).

To the careless reader seeking only entertainment the repetition will bring about swift disconnect. Those experienced with the writer and motivated by personal experience with mental discoveries-co-experiencing comprehensive breakthroughs with the writer-are not dismayed by the seeming necessity to start all over again inventorying the now seemingly most lucidly relevant (do you know thy self, enough to put it into words?). Universe factors intuitively integrating to attain new perspective and effectively demonstrated logic of new degrees of comprehension that's the point. I have not forgotten that I have talked about these things before. It is part of the personal discipline, no matter how formidable the re-inventorying may seem, to commit myself to that task when inspired by intuitive glimpses of important new relationships-inspired overpoweringly because of the realized human potential of progressive escape from ignorance.”

Advice to Poets

A poet is somebody who feels, and who expresses his feelings through words. This may sound easy. It isn’t. A lot of people think or believe or know they feel---but that’s thinking or believing or knowing; not feeling. Why? Because whenever you think or you believe or you know, you’re a lot of other people: But the moment you feel, you’re nobody-but-yourself. To be nobody-but-yourself---in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else---means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight; and never stop fighting. As for expressing nobody-but-yourself in words, that means working just a little harder than anybody who isn’t a poet can possibly imagine. Why? Because nothing is quite as easy as using words like somebody else. We all of us do exactly this nearly all of the time---and whenever we do it, we are not poets. If, at the end of your first ten or fifteen years of fighting and working and feeling, you find you’ve written one line of one poem, you’ll be very lucky indeed. And so my advice to all young people who wish to become poets is: do something easy, like learning how to blow up the world---unless you’re not only willing, but glad, to feel and work and fight till you die.

I hope that was not too much, yet felt these quotes go along with why we both enjoy our repartee. I love the ending of advice to poets...go do something easy...LOL.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

As a writer and a poet who rarely studies the works of others, I find that Fuller quote to be incredibly accurate and helpful. "...unless you’re not only willing, but glad, to feel and work and fight till you die." I was just having a friendly sparring match with a material-reductionist about life and experience, and I constantly found myself glad that I have been so willing to feel and learn and change. There are so many I know who lament over their life and their gifts, and their response seems to be follow-the-leader. He kept saying "Oh, that idea sounds like this writer, or this philosopher." And I just wanted to explain that most of my ideas come from sitting in a quiet room by myself and just experiencing. That I only use logic and reason AFTER I experience whatever it is my senses are trying to get me to experience. When I live my life this way, poetry and writing comes so easy. When I use logic and reason first and foremost, I tend to become discontent, and I write stuff that I just KNOW I'll have to rewrite. Buckminster Fuller. He is on my mind a lot today.

I started my saidit account because I got kicked off of other internet forums for calling out people for being defeatists. There is something sinister happening in that regard, and I don't like it one bit. I think it's System of a Down who said "can't afford to be neutral on a moving train."

I appreciate you, person from elsewhere. Keep your spirits up, and I'm sure you'll meet someone like me IRL.

Edit: I have no favorite subs as of yet. I haven't been here for very long.

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    I have read some things about memes and memetics, and I do find it interesting. I'll go through those links and get back to you.

    FYI, I have had experiences that have made me much more willing to let go of my association with my thoughts and the conceptual ideas I enjoy to think about. In my experience, the human journey is one full of a focus on the non-real, or the mythic. I know that there is a nugget of truth in the human mythos, and the only way to figure it out is to forego your bodily attachments to thought and concepts. Those are tools, just like imagination, and they can very easily lead people down illusionary rabbit holes. If that makes sense (?)

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Your FYI carries much truth to my sense abilities and sensibilities. Mythos, mythic and non-real are metaphors of what it is we experience as life as a human with a psyche. This is why I love memetics.

    No one word is a meme. I envision it like this: I close my eyes and envision the night sky with no light pollution from our cities. This vision is my total inner being and I look up to the light of stars/words projecting into my inner being. Each star is a word and the entire dictionary is shinning light on the space between all the words that, which is my inner being. Words are only there for us to communicate our inner being. They are a reference to my inner being, yet so far away from what is my inner being. There are parsecs of meaning between the stars. It takes a conversation and time to get to know another human by word alone. The space between the words is memetic territory, topographies and landscapes...ephemeral mental structures indicated by the words each of us use. Words shin light on that inner space we all experience. The meaning is found between. Words are lighting references points to the place inside all of us that we share...that place of no words. The Bible even makes great emphasis on "and then there was word".

    Word is a triplicate of written, read and comprehension between. It takes at least two humans to utilize word, language and linguistics. I don't know but it seems as if the majority of humans take this process I speak of through memetics for granted. IDK, maybe you can share your opinion.

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      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Yes, dreaming is a place without words, even though I hear words during dreaming...not all the time. I will check out s/consciousness and see what to post. Thanks for the recommendation.

      Meme goes much deeper than what the main stream media depicts. I found Meme in the early nineties and it has never left me. The concept was exactly what I was looking for to create a conversation about our minds and how they function. I will have to think deeply on what to post.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I made a sub for brown music. its called s/BrownMusic I hope you enjoy!

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      "As a writer and a poet who rarely studies the works of others..." Yes, how else does one learn to think for themselves. Like Bucky wrote to feel is to be nobody-but-yourself. There are no classes at school and my parents never talked of emotional intelligence or the sentiments of Bucky's words "feelings produce nobody-but-yourself. No one can teach you how to feel.

      Yet, I have to say I read others words to help me understand subjects with which my mind deals. I attempt writing essays and poetry, yet not as talented at these things as I wish to be. I love the structure of Haiku to express deeper feelings of life as human.

      Take care and talk to you soon...create a great day...

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I definitely have lots of books on my shelves that I have read and that I plan on reading. I don't mean to sound like I never study! Just that I tend to come up with my own thoughts, then see who else may be saying similar things. It's been a good practice for me, not necessarily one I think others should follow. I tend to study the work of my foes more than the work of my allies, because I seek to be challenged.

      Haiku is awesome! it's one of the only poetic structures I like to use. I tend to write free of any form or structures, and I usually end up with a structure of my own. Like, the poem takes a life of its own in a way, and it has its own flow in that regard.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I think your method is a good one. I do similar things with study and always want a challenge to my ways and means of thinking about life. I always attempt to expand or change if necessary my thought patterns and ideas. I try to live by this motto I made up: I want to know as much as possible and to believe as little as I can muster. I have shoved knowledge into my brain through out my entire life, including today. If fuels the tool of imagination. Nice, haiku is awesome and glad to hear you enjoy this style of poetry.