Saidit is now the second-largest reddit alternative in the world after voat

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[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

You missed notabug. it does even better. Check https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/notabug.io

[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

Oh right, I did forget that. They have a proof-of-work voting system so it's a bit different. I also didn't include hackernews, as it's also not quite the same either

[–]r721 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

snew.notabug.io is probably included there: https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/snew.notabug.io redirects to https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/notabug.io

SimilarWeb says

snew.notabug.io 97.92%

notabug.io 2.06%

https://www.similarweb.com/website/notabug.io

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Oh interesting. What exactly is snew?

[–]r721 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I didn't use it much, but I think it shows removed reddit posts/comments somehow (among other content from reddit):

Snew attempts to undo reddit's pervasive censorship

Content is pulled directly from the reddit api and pushshift.io

So you can't call it an alternative, more like a reddit tool.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Oh I see, so it's like reddit mirroring/backup tool to avoid censorship. That's cool. But yeah, not an alternative reddit platform like saidit. So I guess it really is fair to say we're the second-biggest direct reddit spin-off after Voat. Neat.

[–]go1dfish 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

As the operator of https://notabug.io and snew I agree, saidit is bigger currently I expect.

I don’t log traffic, and can’t log traffic that originates on other peers in the long run anyway.

Congrats on the success of saidit.

To clarify:

notabug.io is a decentralized Reddit alternative that uses open source html/css from Reddit but whole new backend.

Snew.notabug.io is an anti censorship Reddit client that also uses open source html/css from Reddit but uses Reddit’s APIs and pushshift.io

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What up man. I'm a big fan of your work, ceddit and notabug.io, especially your 'listing source' opt-in moderation model or whatever all of that is called. It is truly next level and elevating this reddit thing.

Where is a clear high level overview of notabug, especially the decentralization bits? Like the one page sales pitch. SaidIt is fixing to join some kind of federation or decentralization network someday.

[–]go1dfish 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for the kind words.

Marketing isn’t my strong suit, and should probably nail down terms better. The way I like to talk about the model of moderation at notabug is “lenses”. Spaces are like sunglasses that protect your eyes from UV without darkening the sun itself. They can tint and color your view of the world without darkening the light of others.

https://notabug.io/t/notabug/comments/ea1104bf0535370d0b27a1dc56166064498b45c3/how-moderation-is-going-to-work-on-notabug Is how I originally described it before I built it, details have changed but the goal remains the same.

https://notabug.io/user/CEyKrDd1xyPXpWSV00MgvnZY2VJLHXgzCvhMeDwKTYA.yjSq0DyXzzhB_ZXr_DzfJgij3tXU0-3t0Q5bJAtZpj8/spaces/spaces The sidebar of this space is my best attempt at an elevator pitch for spaces but hasn’t been updated in a while.

SaidIt is fixing to join some kind of federation or decentralization network someday.

That would be great, I want to look into ActivityPub support for notabug at some point, but I dislike how tied content is to server in that model and it’s something I’ve tried to avoid with nab.

[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Oh hey goldf1sh! Glad to see you here.

Thanks for the congrats. I'm happy on the success you've had with notabug too and I imagine you will continue to see it grow as well. Reddit is falling apart and people are looking for alternatives, so it's sort of inevitable sites like notabug and saidit will continue to grow. The proof-of-work voting you implemented on the site is very novel, I think it has a lot of promise.

Glad we can co-exist. If there's ever a way our websites can team up to accomplish something bigger, let me know!

[–]go1dfish 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I’m glad to see someone has taken the much more straightforward approach of taking open source Reddit and running with it. Multiple sites with different approaches to tech and policy is itself a form of decentralization even when not mediated by software.

It’s been convenient having an active open source instance of Reddit running to inspect to compare against for some things. Like I want to do /rules pages and /.compact support on notabug at some point and I’ll probably just use saidit as a reference for that.

Curious to hear how your experience has been with running a Reddit instance, my impression was that Reddit was optimized for an environment assuming many VMs and much AWS infrastructure to run effectively (I.e. inefficient and costly to run at smaller scales) but I never messed with it much beyond a local VM setup.

A goal of nab has been to make it cheap as possible to run peers, and currently the site is running on 2 $5/mo VMs

I like what you’ve done with voting here too (replacing downvotes), it reminds me a bit of slashdot and slashdot is to reddit what Reddit is to saidit.

[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Thanks. I always figured, what's the point of all this open-source code if no one ever uses it?

Multiple sites with different approaches to tech and policy is itself a form of decentralization even when not mediated by software.

I couldn't agree more. That's why I like notabug and other "competitors" to saidit. Together we form a network that itself is distributed. You're more than welcome to replicate any rules we have here, I think our system has worked out pretty well so far.

Running the reddit instance is tricky at times, but once you get the right OS and configure it correctly, it's doable. It seems to run fine on a small machine. We did have to upgrade from 4GB to 8GB RAM because we were running out of memory. Mostly due to the cassandra memory management system that keeps everything in RAM. Have you worked with this?

I'm glad you like the no-downvote system too. It also allows filtering by fun vs insightful vote types, which will be useful when cat pictures inevitably take over the website. Haha.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think most notabug traffic is bots and their federation services running, but yeah that's fair.

[–]go1dfish 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s because ceddit.com used to point to snew.github.io until github took it down because of a Reddit post they didn’t like. (It’s just a in-browser client)

When that happened, I moved it to a subdomain of notabug.io and that’s when you see the massive spike in rankings on notabug.io

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's an interesting idea. They do use mirrors.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The old Alexa graph showed huge consistent and smooth notabug growth like a year ago that doesn't look organic to me. Us being third is fine though too.