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[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You must understand how it's nearly impossible to have a debate with someone like you due to this, right?

What exactly are you debating with me about? Are you debating another persons opinion for them?

Did you happen to listen to this podcast? Guns and Butter Podcast: The Global Campaign to Criminalize Criticism of Israel.

Are you disputing the speakers information?

[–]Zombi 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'm disputing that just because someone follows more mainstream beliefs doesn't automatically qualify them as a "shill". The word shill is used to discredit someone solely based on an ad hominem attack. No matter what anyone says it will not matter as long as they are a shill. Hence there's zero counterargument when you label someone as a shill. It's anti-intellectual.

If you're truly right in your stance then you shouldn't have to resort to name calling. Whether someone truly is a shill or not should have no bearing on what the points they're making. If their points aren't valid then it doesn't matter who they are or who's paying them, you should be able to rationally argue against them.

Imagine if I just said "Oh you're just a conspiracy theorist, I don't give credit to anything you say". I might joke a bit or laugh at you, but I sincerely try to level with you guys and I do try to hear you out. It's lazy to just discredit someone and name call because they believe something you don't.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Great.

Do you have any criticism for OPs message, because the bill passed, and is legit.
The post that was criticized was infact accurate. This post should be discredited for inaccuracy.

[–]Zombi 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm not disputing that at all and you're missing my point. Notice how not once do I make any mention of the bill? I never even said my opinion on it. You have no clue if I agree with OP or not (if you were to go off of my 2 responses).

I could care less about the bill as it has no effect on my life. I'm making the point that just calling someone a shill doesn't automatically make their point any less valid and all it does is make the debate come to a grinding halt.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Notice how not once do I make any mention of the bill?

Yes, I noticed that.

I could care less about the bill as it has no effect on my life.

I keep hearing people say this.

I'm making the point that just calling someone a shill doesn't automatically make their point any less valid and all it does is make the debate come to a grinding halt.

I also noticed that this thread slid right off the page. That's interesting for a couple of reasons.

[–]Zombi 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ok, it's clear to me that you have no intention of actually addressing my argument. This is a prime example of why I said it's impossible to debate with someone like you.

[–]wizzwizz4[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I could care less about the bill as it has no effect on my life.

I keep hearing people say this.

Has it occurred to you that, just maybe, people aren't always fighting the battles you think are important?