How to improve the culture of Saidit

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I feel like the direction he wants is what we were already doing, with less emphasis on name calling, something nobody particularly enjoyed enforcing anyways. The people that were the anti-spam mods could just get bumped up to admin and do what they were already doing.

More direction than that and I think we'd need leadership boots on the ground so to speak.

[–]Zapped[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If he doesn't want the inmates running the prison, he'll need to get a more solid system in place with better definitions of bad-faith trolling and a stand on name-calling. "You're a jerk!" may be against the rules, but "You're a jerk because you....." may be acceptable. Tweaking the way the site runs, such as the proposal of letting the OP censor comments is not part of the systems I am talking about. If he's ok with floating along, and there's nothing wrong with that, then let it ride.

[–]AXXA 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

/s/SaidIt/comments/8wao/saidit_content_admin_rules_clarification_page/

Never remove users who are name-calling but still trying to debate in earnest with actual ideas and facts. Leave them alone, they're just upset.

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However if a user is throwing out ad hominems or name-calling (which we can effectively merge with ad hominem), it has to be judged on the context of the thread. Usually it is wise to ignore 95% of the ad hominems, but if someone is going around just calling everyone awful things constantly, with literally no other substance of value added to any conversation ever, then they can be banned or those comments or posts can be removed.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But it's down to just us inmates.

You're a jerk!" may be against the rules, but "You're a jerk because you....." may be acceptable

When I was going through the old reports I was looking with an eye to preserve the old content as much as possible. Something like "cunt" alone is worthless, adds nothing. Calling someone a cunt in a multi-paragraph response gets saved. Erring on the side of preserving things.

Calling someone a cunt and it leading to a long conversation gets preserved too. That name calling generated content and nobody likes looking at swiss cheese threads.

bad-faith trolling

Even the people here who argue in bad faith lead to interesting conversations sometimes. They're a tool, a foil.

That's how I think things should be.

[–]Zapped[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

But it's down to just us inmates.

It appears that way. Kind of like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ushIsV0CaZo

It's better than the normal way prisons function in Brazil.