this is my experience of Saidit these days.

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[–]magnora7 25 insightful - 6 fun25 insightful - 5 fun26 insightful - 6 fun -  (67 children)

Would you rather I let shills take over saidit?

Would you rather we hide those deletions from you?

Neither of those are good options. So we have the system we have.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (42 children)

i'd prefer if you just let the iron left have their sub, let them be users like everyone else and dialed back on the control. because it isn't working

edit: removed reply to fred_red_beans response below, by iron left, which i found by browsing to their username https://saidit.net/user/__Oldsmobile_88__

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Anti-Censorship Repost Counter: 7 They have a sub.

Except we don't, retard.

Yes, /s/ironleft exists. But we don't have it.

We are not allowed to interact with SaidIt regularly, including our own sub, at all. ANYTHING we post ANYWHERE, regardless of what it is, gets removed.

magnora7 posts a classic Sesame Street clip. We do, too. Ours gets removed as "obvious spam."

And the reason why we "had to be taken off of /all" was provably made-up BULLSHIT.

GTFO you bleeding TOOL. lol I don't even...

p.s.: lol Made you edit your comment to "reply" to my comment you keep removing. If you weren't such a pathetic coward, you could just reply to my comment like a normal person. 😅

And no: you're confusing cause and effect. The "drama" and Astroturfing® are a DIRECT RESULT (not the cause) of magnora7's mishandling of the Iron LEFT -- as others have also pointed out by now. Do your homework, dumdum. If you're that easily mislead to confuse cause and effect, putting you into ANY position of authority is a tragedy.

[–]fred_red_beans 12 insightful - 9 fun12 insightful - 8 fun13 insightful - 9 fun -  (34 children)

They have a sub. It's not on s/all. So what?

They don't like it, go to some other site, or they can make their own. This site's code is open source and freely available.

edit: This 88 user keeps making alt accounts and replying.

Keep in mind these are the people that keep voting spam to the top of the page and keep trying to cause drama and division on saidit. That in of itself is good enough reason to ban them and ask that they leave saidit.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

oh wow. you [removed] every single post of oldmobile_88 when he was engaged in a conversation in this submission, explaining what happened. Something i'm sure many of us are keen to read

[–]fred_red_beans 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (21 children)

No, I'm not interested in seeing his drama bullshit on this site.

It's divisive and disruptive.

You want to have a conversation with the user, go do it somewhaere else.

[–]JasonCarswell 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Remove the user, don't remove the content. People will obviously see it's lame but at least there won't be the mystery of potential abuses.

[–]fred_red_beans 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

If it's not removed, then the site will be filled with spam divisive content

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Ban the user, stop them posting. Don't remove the content.

Build an admin-only universal [-] collapse function or something.

Add a new "spam vote" so people could label the crap. Make all the "spam votes" 100% public so you can see who your accusers are in case of abuse. A rule of no "spam vote" abuse should keep it down or get the abusers banned too.

There's no limit to ideas, alternatives, and solutions, but M7 won't even discuss it.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Then they make a new user account.

They've made literally hundreds.

Why are you advocating for people who are intentionally destroying this website?

[–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

They're gonna do it anyway. Grow up, grow a pair, and work around them. ASK the community for ideas. I just came up with more today that I shared with Fred.

Why are you advocating for people who are intentionally destroying this website?

MORE bullshit spin.

I am NOT advocating for them at all. BAN THE FUCKERS.

I AM advocating for not censoring content. THEN we can see if you are making any mistakes. You are not flawless.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It's divisive and disruptive.

many would say that the admin actions are far more divisive and disruptive.

that's the problem with power. it corrupts, and suddenly you are not moderating a site for other people, but to suit yourself

[–]fred_red_beans 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

awww :(

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

see

[–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

You will never be a woman like u/comatoast

[–]Comatoast 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Same general physiological processes. Anyone might be envious of my soul crippling ADHD though.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

They've broken hundreds of rules, and suddenly we're supposed to give them a free pass? NO

What's the point of having rules if we just let people ignore them whenever they like?

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

they didn't break the rules until you banned them for no good reason. We've seen their side of the argument now, at it seems clear that a simple misunderstanding blew up into ridiculous overreach. You claim they put their site back on s/all repeatedly after you told them not to. they say the did it before you spoke to them about it, as an innocent act of confusion.

I'm betting other people were involved in this, talking to you and feeding you bad information. If i'm wrong, tell me.

maybe you could try getting off your high horse and backing down. Do you want to be the authoritarian dictator, crushing the site in your grip, or do you want your creation to run free?

What's the point of having rules if we just let people ignore them whenever they like?

I agree, rules are good. but when you go full fascist on people when there was confusion, maybe there was a miscarriage of justice. I know Chipit is feeding nonsense about coordinated state attacks, but its daft as anything. I don't know why they are fighting so hard, but my experience is that saidit was the last best place left on the internet. Maybe they had a dream, too.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If i'm wrong, tell me.

the silence is deafening

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Bob3 can't read this because he's blocked me, an unfinished feature.

I agree, the censorship is MUCH more disruptive.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

i blocked you because you kept sending me sexual content

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What a pedo bastard 🤢

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

🙏

[–][deleted]  (3 children)

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    [–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    Bahaha get rekt

    [–]bobbobbybob[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    what did it say?

    [–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    It was whining that ironleft got kicked from /all

    [–]CarlDung 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

    /biz/ is getting bombarded atm by detrimental nonsense, the establishment is up to something

    [–]bobbobbybob[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

    they are tanking the global economy, to help bring int he great reset. Did you see when then shoved that penis drawing tanker, running with clinton's callsign, into the side of the Suez Canal? 10%+ of world trade, fucked in a minute. Food shortages, plastic resin shortages. its going to cause chaos.

    Crashing and burning the stock market is part of it too

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    I'm in position to profit from a stock market crash. I am thinking now is a good time since the 1.9T stimulus checks have gone out, now is the time to hammer the little guy who wants to take advantage of "stonks only go up". What's your take?

    [–]bobbobbybob[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Crashing the stock market is next on the WEF list, then UBI. i figure that now is a good time to get into debt (low interest rates, massive inflation) and invest in silver/gold

    I can't bring myself to hammer the little guy.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    No, I mean - and I apologize for the bad turn of phrase, English isn't my first language - THEY should see this as the right time to hammer the little guy... I'll just ride the evil of their greed and try to make some good happen out of what I'll make from that.

    Yeah I'm already on bitcoin, gold and silver, as well as mining cryptos. I even added some put options recently on the SPY (S&P 500 "mini" ETF), so I'm sort of hoping it will happen soon. It's gonna happen anyway and it will be worse than 1929.

    We'll see.

    [–]bobbobbybob[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    We'll see.

    forewarned is forearmed. Are you well out of cities, have solar, water and seeds?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Still close to a city, since right now recovering health is my top priority. But yeah, all that is in our plans: Living in the mountains with some farm animals that can readily feed on grass.

    I don't see GRASS becoming scarce.

    [–]Akali 7 insightful - 8 fun7 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 8 fun -  (2 children)

    I'm not sure if it's hard to code, but how about a Quaranteen sub where all the ''removed'' get stored in.

    so if someone want to know what was remove they just go on s/Quaranteen and then realise it was a spam? It could stop all the drama.

    [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Good idea too!

    [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    It's possible, but it's a lot of work to make a sub literally no one will look at. All removed things are already listed in the mod log for each sub

    [–]BillionDollarEgg3 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

    why is porno harassment filth and homosexual pornography getting upvoted to the front page, the spammers are all over this place now

    [–]magnora7 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    It's called an attack. This forum is being attacked constantly, don't you know that by now?

    [–]BillionDollarEgg3 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    maybe you could do with a helper, not saying this place is bad. This place will keep getting more busy while other social media die....Just saying perhaps someone with very similar views as yourself could help you run the show

    [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I've already got 3 people on saidit's content administration team to help me out, so your idea is good but too late :) I could probably benefit from having more people help though

    [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

    Why hide anything?

    Just leave it ALL and ban the poster. (Except for porn and violence.)

    And of course we'll hold you accountable when you make mistakes.

    Open, fair, accountable.

    [–]magnora7 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    Why should a few users be able to make hundreds of accounts to spam literal nonsense to drown out everyone else? There's no reason that's a good idea. You sound like you just want shills to destroy this forum. Not happening. Try your shit elsewhere.

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Censorship is not a good idea.

    Being unfair is not a good idea.

    Being closed and opaque is not a good idea.

    Being unaccountable is not a good idea.

    Not having management skills is not a good idea.

    Finding solutions IS a good idea but you're refusing to bother.

    STOP riding my ass and come to me when you want to discuss good ideas.

    [–]ballooon 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

    There's the issue with alts unfortunately.

    [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

    Leave them. How much worse is their nonsense to [removed] and all they mystery they may contain?

    Even better: "[-] collapse" them too. Or colour indicate which accounts have been banned. Scarlett Letter.

    [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

    When it's 4/5 of all comments on the website, that's not easy to ignore and does a lot of damage.

    They have to be removed for this forum not to be taken over and drown out all other voices. Why do you repeatedly advocate for the hijacking of this forum?

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    This is the kind of information that only an admin has. Carswell isn't wrong in that your management APPEARS more heavy handed and clumsy than it should be, but that is from the point of view of a normal user.

    I know you're doing what you feel is the best for the site, but obviously we don't see everything you see and thus, we can't judge your decision process or actions. That's what back seat driving is. Sorry Jason but that's what you are doing.

    So while I agree that more openness and accountability would be ideal, there are limits to what can be done. How many hours a day should M7 be coding and how many hours managing/administering? Delegating? Sure, but who wants this job? I'm glad Fred accepted a position and I'm sure his contribution will help a lot, but no system is ever perfect, and things always appear much simpler than they actually are, when you don't have all the information.

    [–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    the logs suggest that far less is removed than is claimed. I'm not seeing 10 actions per day per sub, and that's minimal admin effort.

    Many of us offered to help, and were ignored. This is m7's bed.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Wow if you offered to help and got turned down, then I am just appalled at M7's decision making.

    [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    Why do you repeatedly advocate for the hijacking of this forum?

    100% BULLSHIT.

    [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    You do, though. You've got multiple posts saying I shouldn't remove what the shills post. So you're advocating this forum be hijacked, as well as openly breaking rules and then being upset at me for enforcing the rules instead of apologizing so you can stay with the community.

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    You do, though. You've got multiple posts saying I shouldn't remove what the shills post. So you're advocating this forum be hijacked, as well as openly breaking rules and then being upset at me for enforcing the rules instead of apologizing so you can stay with the community.

    More demonizing spin. STOP LYING. Is all this bullshit to cover up your own inadequate management?

    Let me be 100% clear:

    • I DO want transparency, openness, fairness, accountability, and consistency.
    • I DO want banning the problematic shills, trolls, and bots.
    • I do NOT want censorship at all.
    • I do NOT want SaidIt hijacked.

    If you'd get your head out of my ass you'd see this what I've been saying, and nothing more, no matter how you try to spin it.

    You should want these too, but all you want is to pathetically attempt to vilify me to ban me instead of discussing solutions. You are transparent when you refuse to be transparent.

    Temporarily and intentionally breaking your lame arbitrary rules intentionally targeted at me seems to be the only way to even get your attention. You only expose yourself and apparently your ego driven need for absolute control with your poor leadership and lack of solutions. You are dragging things down by hunting me rather than responding to the legitimate issues.

    Instead of this timesuck drama we should be fixing things. If you were a good leader you'd recognize that. It's never too late to come around.

    If you want we can have a dramatic showdown in a dedicated post instead of all this side-comments crap. Obviously that's not really good for you, me, or SaidIt.

    We could draft up something for /s/SaidItSurveys and ask the community at large to resolve our impasse. Again, not ideal, but at least it would be a step forward.

    Or we could be gentlemen and rationally discuss the REAL issues here. But I suspect you won't dare. Either you're a coward who's afraid to admit when he's been wrong this whole time, you don't have the ability to bring the changes necessary and have been hiding behind secrecy all along, or again, maybe your ego won't let you concede any of whatever you think your power is by delegating responsibilities despite maintaining ultimate veto. Maybe all of them, or maybe I'm overlooking another reason or few. But you can't even fucking discuss options.

    You will never earn my respect by falsely accusing me of shit and refusing to have a civil discussion about the REAL ISSUES: being fair, open, accountable, and consistent - and dealing with the real trolls. Man up.

    [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    You talk about minimizing timesuck drama, but then you write 8 paragraphs about timesuck drama. You so frequently do the opposite of what you say you're doing.

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I'm taking the time to try to get through your thick fucking skull. Instead you dodge with this amateur shit.

    [–]whistlepig 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Wouldn't mind having that great original reddit tool that use to be on every reddit page and in your prefs. ie.. the ability to hide all posts/comments below "0" or any other user chosen vote number.

    In my opinion, those were the good old days of the reddit/digg model, but unfortunately I haven't seen any of the competition bringing it back.

    [–]BillionDollarEgg3 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    saiditter for 2 years

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    ...bla bla rest seems like an email banker scam