There are tens of millions of White Nationalists in the United States, that is why you are seeing so many of our views of the front page of saidit

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[–]Zahn 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (41 children)

You're living in a media created bubble that's affecting your viewpoint of reality and creating a false perception. Sure, all your Fakebook friends appear like they are towing the line for the establishment's narrative of pathological egalitarianism, for fear of being accused of wrongthink, which then serves to solidify your erroneous confirmation bias.

When uncensored, most comment sections of any news platform will at least balance in opinion or swing right depending on the topic. Reading censored Reddit reveals the immense amount of effort that has to go into suppressing alternative viewpoints.

Have you ever asked yourself what is so dangerous about these alternative viewpoints of reality that your overlords go to such great lengths to keep you from seeing them? Maybe these viewpoints, in part or whole, are a more truthful reality that doesn't serve your best interests, but rather their own.

[–][deleted] 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (40 children)

I don't have facebook. I don't watch the news. What I can do is look at actual polling, or studies of peoples attitudes and assessments in general in anonymous surveys. Point is, it's propaganda. Your numbers are actually quite tiny, which makes your desperation to pretend otherwise all the funnier. So far what actually happens is everyone but the most obnoxious and ridiculous people (see: Flat earthers) will leave, leaving you people to your own devices. Go back to Voat.

[–]Zahn 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

You exist in a comfort zone of denial. As society continues marching into the destruction of social cohesion, more people start asking why...and they will find the answer. I don't do Voat, and don't need to. Any uncensored platform embraces a more truthful explanation for the sad state of the world.

It's amusing watching your growing discomfort at coming to terms with this. We all have coping mechanisms, and you are no exception. Just keep telling yourself comforting lies. But, inevitably you will have to face the fact that you have miscalculated trends and intentionally let yourself be misinformed about the ruling classes narrative.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

What discomfort? I'm making fun of how desperate you are to lie about your numbers. I'm pretty comfortable. You, however, are so upset by this you need to project your feelings onto me. There is no "social cohesion" problem, literally the United States for its entire history has been a ton of disparate states all demanding they be able to retain autonomy. In fact they've been clawing back that independence ever since WW2, after the great dictator FDR finally died. Independence, individualism, and atomism, has been the core of the USA since its inception.

[–]JuliusCaesar225 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There is no "social cohesion" problem

Bro, are you living in the same America as everyone else? I will agree though that white nationalist numbers are not large, but they are growing.

[–]Zahn 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

Exactly, ridicule at this point is all you have in your toolbox as a coping mechanism. You reveal yourself if you are willfully ignorant that our society is unravelling as social mistrust and apprehension soars.

How about all those polls and statistics you presumably follow? Social mistrust at the highest it's ever been:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/08/26/americans-are-less-trusting-than-ever-before-that-could-also-make-us-poor/

You must of missed that one, got to keep the confirmation bubble inflated!

'Even though invasive immigration is the strongest indicator for the astronomical lack of social cohesion, it's got to be something else....we just can't figure out what else might be causing it!'

https://phys.org/news/2019-07-diversity-social-mistrust.html

Please demonstrate your cognitive dissonance while you conjure up your own imaginative explanations.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

Oh goody! the "diversity social cohesion" myth again! You haven't actually read anything about it have you? Here's a refutation by The Alternative Hypothesis, who used to be your peoples little golden boy until he caught up with the research: https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2018/08/10/ethnic-diversity-and-social-cohesion-a-critique/

Diversity has no effect on social capital. The reason Americans are less trusting than ever is actually the real reason behind personality degradation. Health. Obesity. The less healthy you perceive yourself to be, the less trusting you are of other people, because the more neurotic you are. That's causal. Not a correlation like Putnam and the bullshit you cite.

[–]Zahn 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

How cute, really grasping at straws there. You present for perusal a no name author, with only tangential experience in anything remotely related to a sociological background. Who then proceeds to cobble together a flimsy "critique" as he says, of studies by actual real scientists that have previously concluded that invasive immigration is socially destructive.

In conclusion, I don’t think the social-scientific literature I am aware of has compellingly shown that diversity qua diversity has an important effect on social cohesion.

This is all you've got? We should irreparably disintegrate western culture because some student cherry picked studies to curate a predetermined hypothesis to explain rising social incohesion.

Let me guess, you yourself don't live in a vibrantly diverse neighborhood.....Do you?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I present a blog post by a well recognized participant from your "side of the isle" summarizing a number of very well done studies with large sample sizes. We can discuss the merits of the individual research if you wish, I'm familiar with all of it, but I suspect you've never read a single one in your life. Case in point: You don't know what the null hypothesis is.

This is all you've got? We should irreparably disintegrate western culture because some student cherry picked studies to curate a predetermined hypothesis to explain rising social incohesion.

If repeatedly well done research fails to demonstrate a causal effect... you do not have evidence to support your proposition. In other words, the strongest negation of your beliefs possible. That you think this is somehow a weak refutation says a lot more about you, and a sad lack of education.

[–]Zahn 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Your evidence:

I present a blog post

Your student tier cherry picked "refutation" has been conclusively debunked by actual scientists, but you won't go beyond your confirmation bubble to figure this out.

The majority of studies conclude that invasive immigration is the primary cause of lack of social cohesion. Most people in the sociological field reject the premise of your blog post author. I'm sorry this conflicts with your narrow minded view of the world, but you must come to terms with this.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

...A link to summaries of all major works to replicate and analyze causal analysis of Putnam's initial hypothesis. From someone who agreed, originally, with you. By, yes, actual scientists. You can read the studies themselves. Do you actually want to discuss any of them? Or do I give up and block you?

[–]KraigGronowski 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It is blatantly obvious that the more a society is similar the more cohesive it is. The fact you can't see this and need studies on it proves you are what is completely wrong with society :-) Next you will be quoting studies on why lions only attack buffalo because of capitalism. Why don't you go off and make your own little leftish shithole.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm going to guess you didn't read what I linked. To repeat the point: No, what you believe is not supported by the data. The factors that do control cohesion are, in order: Health, wealth, relative poverty.

[–]KraigGronowski 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

"diversity social cohesion" myth

LoL who is lying? If diversity is no problem to cohesion why not not put anyone in jail? Just let those diverse range of criminals roam free. Why does israel wall off Palestinians? Surely just because some people want to car bomb shouldn't ruin the cohesion?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Uhhh, the topic was ethnic diversity. Ideologies that cause people to plant car bombs is not ethnic diversity. There isn't a "car bomb gene".

[–]KraigGronowski 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

There isn't a "car bomb gene".

Do you have a study proving that? :-)

[–]mikipika 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Haha. Like when a flat-earther calls it a "globe." YOU just outed your own lies.

[–]KraigGronowski 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm making fun of how desperate you are to lie about your numbers.

Did Trump win? and if he wins again you will know what is and is not a lie :-)

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If you think Trump is a white nationalist candidate you're equally as mistaken as the far-left media calling him such.

[–]KraigGronowski 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

He is the closest to a white nationist in a long time. You think white nationalists can just be open in the public about their beliefs?

[–]mikipika 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If your numbers are so big, what's the problem?

[–]72ndGender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Can you point me to some of the polls that show that whites don't prefer to live in a white country? That doesn't seem like something anyone would have the balls to poll different races on, but I would like to be surprised here.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

There is not a poll on that specific question, but here is a summary of some research regarding followups to Putnam's original study where this idea stems from. Basically, there's no evidence that diversity really has any effect on social capital or overall happiness, when properly studied and isolated as a cause. Something Putnam's lazy correlation did not do.

I link Alt Hype in particular because he used to push this same narrative. He might still do, but even he had to admit the research does not support it.

[–]72ndGender 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Ah, okay. I must have misunderstood your comment. I was under the impression that you were saying that you had polls that showed that white nationalism (not supremacy) had a tiny number of people. It would be very interesting to see those kinds of stats though. Don't see anyone doing a poll on that any time soon.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Regarding the number of white nationalists, I did link wikipedia of all considered "white nationalist" groups and organizations. There are less than a few tens of thousands. There's no evidence of some prevalent or large "white nationalist" support in the general population, and the low numbers of adherents to any formal group support this. That's the crux of why I call this baseless propaganda.

[–]72ndGender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Those are organized groups though. Being a white nationalist just means you want a white nation. People wouldn't join an organization for something that they casually believe in, just like people don't join formal environmental activist groups just because they care about the environment. I think those groups are more likely to be supremacy groups, than just regular nationalists anyway. Meanwhile, white people know that if they joined any group specifically for white people, that their entire lives could be destroyed. They would lose jobs, be prevented from being hired, and have their lives and their families' lives in danger.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Do you actually have some indication of how many people beyond these groups support ethnonationalism? If not, the only thing you can say is "I don't know". Coming up with excuses or reasons behind why the number is so few is not an argument in support of a higher estimate. If I tripled the number it would still be below 1% of the population.

[–]72ndGender 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm not the one making claims about the number of people holding that belief, you are. You didn't provide anything to support that and neither of us have any way of quantifying that. Not sure why that makes you angry. The Wikipedia stats on formal groups have absolutely nothing to do with how many people hold a belief. It's weird that you even think that. Or deliberately dishonest.

If I showed you Wikipedia stats for environmental activist groups to show the amount of people that believe in protecting the environment, you wouldn't think that was an accurate count of the total amount of them. Would you?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why are you so upset? You begin by asserting that I'm angry, when all I did was point out you have no evidence about your numbers - and what evidence does exists suggests they're tiny. At best you can say "I don't know". Why does someone pointing out claiming "tens of millions" is propaganda upset you, when you're admitting it yourself right here?

[–]KraigGronowski 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I did a poll and it said your wrong.

[–]KraigGronowski 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What I can do is look at actual polling, or studies of peoples attitudes and assessments in general in anonymous surveys

The same polling that somehow completely missed Trumps base and continues? Why? Could it have anything to do with deep state and leftist profiling and targeting of any opposition? Holding these opinions could literally get you killed by them.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ah yes, of course. Rather than address the point, divert. "What if" is not an argument. Why yes, "what if" all evidence to the contrary somehow you're right. Okay. But I don't care about "what if". I care about evidence.

[–]KraigGronowski 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is plenty of evidence for deep state and leftist profiling and targeting, you don't have to look hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_op2cucu7Y

[–]horatioherbert 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"What I can do is look at actual polling" - because they are such an accurate portrayal of popular opinion beyond manipulation. "or studies of peoples attitudes and assessments in general in anonymous surveys" - ?