There's some censorship going on in the newly popular feminist subs and it needs to be openly addressed.

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[–]nonpenishaver 140 insightful - 13 fun140 insightful - 12 fun141 insightful - 13 fun -  (4 children)

GenderCritical was a sub for women who know that patriarchy exists. Who know that gender identity is bullshit. We will never be able to have productive discussions if we constantly keep having to "debate" men who come in and try to convince us that the very foundations of our beliefs are wrong. It'll go around it circles forever. There's no point to it. Personally I feel you should be able to comment but I don't believe anyone owes you debate.

Edit: whatever happened to "if you don't like something don't look at it"? Women don't constantly try to infiltrate male centric subs. This is something men on reddit do and it's fucking annoying.

[–]rdh2121 83 insightful - 7 fun83 insightful - 6 fun84 insightful - 7 fun -  (3 children)

whatever happened to "if you don't like something don't look at it"?

It's still alive and well. If you don't like a comment someone made on /s/GenderCritical, hide it and move on. If the sub is on /s/all, the sub is not a safe space, and exists for all users on Saidit. If that's not what the users of /s/GenderCritical want, all you have to do is remove yourselves from /s/all, and you can be as exclusive as you like.

Saidit was created to combat exclusion and censorship. You came here for that very acceptance of diverse viewpoints, so that's what you're getting. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

[–]badMADam 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I didn't know that means that anyone can now join any discussion and dumb the discussion down as they please. Let's go to any science sub and talk about flat- eart then. Or maybe subs should actually be allowed to make their own rules and set their own standards, and people who wish to discuss the topic from another point of view can make another sub? If scientists wish to debate flateartehrs they could male a sub XdebatesY, which GC and other feminists actually had on reddit.

[–]BobQuixote 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, I actually thought Reddit's basic system of letting a sub's mods rule their little fiefdom made a lot of sense. I guess it was getting abused more than I knew.

Maybe give the mods something like that free reign but impose community oversight. Enforcing topicality and civility should be OK.

[–]badMADam 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe give the mods something like that free reign but impose community oversight.

Yeah something like that should be possible. While I completely agree that censorship is shitty and general discussion shoul be allowed and encouraged, I also think in practice this is difficult to realize on such a platform. Some smaller communities (lets say a sceptical atheis community) might be in danger by being completely overrun by a mayority of other pissed of communities with different views (lets say a plethora of religious groups concern trolling, or even "academic theologists offering the same opinions again and again to be "discussed") and as there never are black and white truths out there in the end such subreddits just become battlefields subjected to stupid power- plays, when they were meant to be for a specific community who wants to explore or develop their own argumentations (if you know what I mean). In the end this would just again mainly further and promote opinions that are mainstream anyhow.

Maybe you could see the whole thing like different sports teams, they need to play and train together and not make nonsensical mixes (like we have two ballet dancers training with five football players). But then they can meet in a neutral field of play to compete under fixed and fair rules. This is why I think subs should be allowed have their own rules as long as they are transparent, no trolling and brigading should be allowed, but we can have some battle/ discussion subs where different factions can confront each other.