If nothing rational designed the universe, and math is the invention of men, why does physical space behave like a mathematical space?

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So we only see order in the universe because we are part of the universe?

Is this order we see real or is it just us being delusional?

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So we only see order in the universe because we are part of the universe?

I would argue yes. There's no concept of order without someone to observe and define it. Otherwise, things just exist without appreciation. But at the same time, the definition of order comes from the fact that things (atoms, planets, life) evolved to result in us. So I think order is a very real thing, but it's also a chicken and egg situation where there is no concept of order without intelligence and there is no intelligence without the order to give rise to it.