Feb 21, 2019: All of the 50 highest trending posts across all of reddit were removed by moderators

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[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

We could change how deletions work by leaving the content intact,

I like this, but can we make it hidden until the user mouses over or clicks a [reveal] button or something. Just because most things that get deleted will be garbage, so it makes sense to hide them, but they should be accessible for anyone who wants to see them.

I like the idea of /s/modwatch for additional discussion and where people could bring up discussion about potentially-corrupt mods without worry of being censored for doing so. Then they'll be able to link back to their comment that led to the ban, which anyone can see, which should be followed by the reason the mod banned the person.

We can just make a site rule that any time a mod bans a person from their sub, they must explain why in a comment below the offending comment why the person being banned, visible to everyone. And any mod who doesn't do this gets a warning, then gets let go as a mod if they fail to do it again. I think it makes sense to have a bit of "paperwork" for the mods when they ban someone via this ban-explanation comment, so they have to think about it rather than just do ban willy-nilly. The mods should be afraid of offending the users, not the other way around like it is on reddit, to put it another way.

I think this combination of solutions would do a lot, and wouldn't be terribly difficult to put in to practice.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Amen, sounds good. So mods will be required to post a comment for removing a post, removing a comment, and banning a user. What about marking as spam? And wanting to ban a user for abuse of mod mail/harassment wouldn't really have a place for the mod to comment.

The spoiler idea sounds good, we need to fix those anyway. I suppose we could instead show "[deleted/removed]" in the main post view like how it is now, but then if you view it through the modlog you get the original content.

I don't know if this covers the extreme dox cases, where stuff shouldn't be publicly viewable, but it sounds good for the 80%.

The mods should be afraid of offending the users

yes

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So mods will be required to post a comment for removing a post, removing a comment, and banning a user. What about marking as spam?

Marking as spam can still result in the mod replying "Removed because it's spam". This is what I do when I remove spam posts, I warn them in the comments "Ads go in /s/ads please, last warning" and then when they do it again, I ban them and comment "Banned for not following site rules, ignoring spam warnings".

Something like that. I think every mod action that censors someone else should leave a paper trail.

And wanting to ban a user for abuse of mod mail/harassment wouldn't really have a place for the mod to comment.

That's a fair point, but they should just block that user then. That's not justification to ban someone from a sub, imo. They have to do something public to get banned from the public place. Messages between users are just between those users, and shouldn't affect people being banned from subs and so on.

I suppose we could instead show "[deleted/removed]" in the main post view like how it is now, but then if you view it through the modlog you get the original content.

Yeah we can do it that way until we get the spoiler system working. I'd like it to be visible right along with the rest of the comments. I don't want it so a user has to dig through 5 pages in order to see what happened, that'll ensure only super-motivated parties will take enough interest to do anything, which will invite corruption.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Got it. Captured as #2 on our list.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Perfect, thanks