Reddit thinks the border crisis is fake

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[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It's semantic, is what it is. It's the question of "What is a border crisis."

We have a significant uptick of attempted immigration from Central America. That's happening. Does it constitute a "border crisis"? Well, that's really a term with no objective meaning. Something is a crisis if you believe it's a crisis.

[–]SaltyTexan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I would call it a crisis when it starts effecting the citizens of the country they are coming into illegally in a negative way, which is what it is currently doing in a lot of border states. Which is why Texas is actually doing something about it, since our federal government refuses to acknowledge it's a problem.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I think what a lot of people are questioning is the ratio of "People affected negatively by the uptick in immigration" versus "People driven into a frenzy by a fear-and-ideology based media, who are actually being affected by their own media consumption."

[–]SaltyTexan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

But if mass illegal immigration is having a negative impact on the people who live here legally, and putting a financial strain on the areas they live in and causing property damages, then yes it should be classified as a crisis. It doesn't matter if it directly impacts everyone or just a part of the population, the fact that it is happening at all is the thing we should be focused on, and the fact that a lot of people are trying to either ignore it or sweep it under the rug because they either don't want to believe it's a problem, or they don't care because it isn't directly effecting them or damaging their property. It's funny how people tend to change their points of view when things start effecting them personally rather than when they are just hearing about it from other people.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

But if mass illegal immigration is having a negative impact on the people who live here legally, and putting a financial strain on the areas they live in and causing property damages, then yes it should be classified as a crisis.

Immigration, like just about everything else, has positive and negative effects. Any influx of poor people will also bring some of the problems associated with poverty. But without those poor people, our agricultural sector would collapse and the cost of food would skyrocket.

To me, a "crisis" implies severe and overwhelmingly negative effects, but - well, like I said, it's semantic. You say a "crisis" is anything having a negative impact and causing financial strain; I say that by that definition, there are millions of things out there that could rise to the level of a crisis.

[–]SaltyTexan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

without those poor people, our agricultural sector would collapse and the cost of food would skyrocket.

This isn't true and has been something democrats have been pushing and it's completely inaccurate and very deceptive. Because what they are not telling you is that because farmers are using illegal's it is driving the wages down for everyone else, because they are willing to work for less. Look around you, our food prices have already doubled since COVID and there is absolutely no good reason for them to still be this high other than corporate greed. Illegals do a lot more harm to our labor industry that they ever will good. You can't look at just one side of the coin on this, you have to look at the whole picture, something Democrats don't want people doing. Because if people had all the information they would probably feel a lot different. No politician want's people who are well informed, because well informed people make good decisions, good decisions would mean a lot less profit for corporate entities in turn affecting the bank accounts of many a politician.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This isn't true and has been something democrats have been pushing and it's completely inaccurate and very deceptive. Because what they are not telling you is that because farmers are using illegal's it is driving the wages down for everyone else, because they are willing to work for less.

It could not be more true.

You know, I was reading about graveyard shift slaughterhouse workers the other day. Americans eat about 10,000,000,000 animals per year. That's a lot of animals that need to be slaughtered. Which means we need a whole lot of slaughterhouses. After a day of slaughtering hundreds of animals, the blades are covered in gallons of coagulating, biohazardous blood. Which need to be cleaned, or else there's going to be contagious disease spreading through the population.

So every day, a crew goes in there with caustic chemicals. They work from 10:00pm to 6:00am. It's cost-prohibitive to air condition a slaughterhouse, so in the summer it gets up to 90 degrees. The smell is stomach-turning.

The slaughterhouse owners say that zero American citizens apply for these jobs. See, in America, we teach our kids they can be anything they want. All they have to do is study hard and go to college, and they can be a doctor or an engineer or an astronaut. No American citizen is willing to spend their lives staying up all night and sleeping during the day so they can spray irritating chemicals all over disgusting coagulated blood.

You'd probably have to pay $40/hr to get American citizens to do that job - plus you'd have to shorten the shifts, provide health insurance, air condition the slaughterhouses, follow OSHA regulations, etc. We're currently paying more like $10/hr to desperate immigrants and we don't do any of that.

You're worried about food prices doubling? Deport all our agricultural workers and get ready to see them go up tenfold. And on top of that, we wouldn't have nearly enough labor left for the things we currently take for granted, like elder care.

[–]SaltyTexan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The slaughterhouse owners say that zero American citizens apply for these jobs

That is what they are telling you. Do you just trust everything someone says, without proof? I know I don't. A lot of these jobs are declining because Ai is taking over. Why pay someone to do something when you can have a machine do the same thing, for less money and it's faster.

The reason why most American's don't want farm work, is because they are overworked and underpaid. They are overworked and underpaid because they are illegals and they don't want to rock the boat and demand better wages, benefits and more rights as workers. How can you not see how this hurts the industry as a whole. Like I said you're looking at one side of a multifaceted situation.

You're basically saying that we should use illegals as slaves per your comment: "You'd probably have to pay $40/hr to get American citizens to do that job - plus you'd have to shorten the shifts, provide health insurance, air condition the slaughterhouses, follow OSHA regulations, etc. We're currently paying more like $10/hr to desperate immigrants and we don't do any of that."

Sorry but that is a shitty way to look at it, and a very wrong way in a lot of aspects. You're also overlooking the fact that Work Visas are a thing and a lot of people who are on Work Visas are also being given the short end of the stick because of the illegals taking over the positions they got their Visas for in the first place. You're displacing legal workers for illegals so we can pay them less and work them in terrible working conditions. Hell why not just bring back slavery while were at it, since it will be even cheaper. /s

[–]SaltyTexan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

To me, a "crisis" implies severe and overwhelmingly negative effects, but - well, like I said, it's semantic.

There were 2.5 MILLION illegals that came across our borders just last year alone. We're not talking a few thousand here or there. We are talking MILLIONS. Just in Texas alone we have upwards of 12,000 people per day crossing. Yes that IS a crisis.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So what? There are 80 MILLION tourists visiting the U.S. every year. Just because something is a big number doesn't make it a crisis.

[–]SaltyTexan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Tourists are not destroying farmers crops, letting their livestock loose and breaking into their homes. Tourists are not coming over here without any money and putting a strain on the economy. Use your brain please. Those two things are nothing alike at all, and I think you know that.