I’m a liberal but...I’m not attracted to liberal men. "But no matter how much I try to tell myself to stop only viewing masculine men as potential dating/sex partners, I hit a mental block and I get hit with this huge wave of discomfort at the thought of being with a man who’s feminine."

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[–]bobbobbybob 11 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 6 fun -  (9 children)

These guys mostly are really liberal, they are manipulative.

FTFY

[–]jet199 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Call me old fashioned but to me being liberal means wanting people to have the freedom to do what they want so long as they don't hurt anyone else. You won't find many self declared liberal men in the anglosphere who think like that.

[–]Trajan 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, it's a term that's meant many different things over the years. Ultimately it suggests some sense of permissiveness, making it highly incompatible with authoritarian and collectivist ideologies. Like plain left and right, it has little descriptive power. I prefer terms like 'identitarian left' to describe the identity obsessed collectivists or 'male feminist' to describe people who should not be left unattended with women or girls.

[–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

that is a conservative viewpoint. Liberalism left you long behind. Current liberal (remember, it is 'progressive', so always moving left) holds that that viewpoint is conditional on the level of 'oppression' of the person it is applied to.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Nope. Liberalism literally comes from liberty. It's isn't the same as left wing. The left wing has many different political movements on it many of which are illiberal. Socialists and liberals have never liked each other. Marx was reacting against the Liberalism of his time over 100 years ago, Marxism comes out of the rejection of liberalism.

Conservatives have adopted liberal policies recently because they learn they could make the rich richer (which is what Marx also saw). These aren't traditional Conservative beliefs though.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I get that you want to define 'liberal' to suit your self image. I was a liberal. My views no longer align with progressive liberalism, and I reject 'liberal democracy'. I find that most of my previously 'liberal' beliefs were actually grounded in conservative family & home, with less repressive church dogma, and more of the christian side.

I'm 100% positive, that 'live and let live' is a conservative viewpoint. You may be confusing it with a religious right view

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

https://mises.org/library/what-classical-liberalism

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

as i said. most of my classical liberal views turned out to also be conservative viewpoints. The differences are minor, imo, and the worst ideas of classical liberalism (the idea that it is some kind of borg colective, and will assimilate all it touches) are the aspects that I reject, anyway.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-classical-liberalism-conservative-1507931462

fir example:

One argument between liberals and Burkean and other conservatives who in important respects stand close to liberalism is related to this central liberal conception. While liberals typically expect the market in the widest sense — the network of voluntary exchanges — to generate a system of institutions and mores conducive to its continuance, conservatives insist that the indispensable underpinning must be provided by the state beyond the simple protection of life, liberty, and property, including especially state support of religion.

which system do you recognise as liberal? Because modern 'conservatism' seems to be very much against the heavy state involvement in modern life, byond having a state religion, and modern progressive liberalism seems to embrace ever increasing interference.

Its almost as if all these ideas are constantly in flux.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most of the article you linked is behind a paywall, so I couldn't get to the meat of it. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I do think that there are overlapping lines between classic liberalism and modern conservatism, but I view modern conservatism (at least in the U.S.) as holding on to traditional values and order. Classic liberalism in my view is more of a "live and let live" approach, albeit with law and order. I think labels are getting in the way and how those labels are presented to us through the media.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

that is a conservative viewpoint. Liberalism left you long behind. Current liberal (remember, it is 'progressive', so always moving left) holds that that viewpoint is conditional on the level of 'oppression' of the person it is applied to.