Windows Marketshare Declines While Ubuntu Numbers Up 700 Percent!

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[–]jjjj 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Linux would do so much better if they'd update their fucking packet managers with the latest versions of software and make them more graphical and user-friendly. So many damn times I've had to search through websites to find the most updated version of software, then install from command line or even compile programs. The general public doesn't want to fuss with all that bullshit, they just want it to look good and be able to click next and install.

Stop trying to make the general public use the command line, it's not gonna happen.

[–]m68k 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You may want to try something of a rolling release like an Arch based distro, where Debian based distros will always lag behind (by design, not really a bad thing if you tend to use slightly older software).

Note, Ubuntu has alot of their apps coming in Snaps now, which IIRC auto-updates.

[–]jjjj 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I get by and figure things out, I was more talking about the appeal and practicality for the general public. I'm pissed off how long it's taking linux distros to make systems for the general public when a big part of what's holding it back is simply designing some UI's for a lot of the useful programs, pre-installed programs, making their packet managers like an app store(looks good and simple, stays updated with the latest stable versions), make it easy to uninstall or update programs. Basically don't make the normies ever have to touch the command line and compile programs.

I've wanted to see M$ lose their abusive grip on the Desktop OS market for so long but some of the easier things to change in linux that would appeal to masses just never happened.

Ubuntu has alot of their apps coming in Snaps now, which IIRC auto-updates.

That sounds more like it for the general public. Maybe there's hope.

[–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but my impression is that you're just not aware of much of what goes on in different linux distros. For one thing, app store like package managers have been around long before app stores and is where app stores got the idea.

You may be getting the impression that only terminal based solutions exist for certain things because there is a preponderance of interest and articles written for those solutions. The more GUI ones don't require articles so they don't get mentioned. Also, its easier to put a terminal command in an article than to describe the long process of click here, here, here, drag, here, here, here, clickety clickety clickety etc.

Sure there are some programs that you'll just have to compile yourself if you want to use them, but they're the exception and typically you'd have to compile them to run on windows as well.

I think your current opinion may be outdated.

[–]jjjj 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think so since I've used Linux for the past idk 15 years and I've used different distros. I'm on ubuntu now. I've installed many different programs often the versions were outdated in the packet manager so I had to go search the website and it often got complicated. I've also had a lot of issues with dependencies not being installed and some other messy situations that would never happen in Windows or OSX.

I'm gonna do a fresh install soon cause I'm actually having issues with my ubuntu setup so I guess we'll see how much progress they've made since my last major install/setup

[–]Optimus85[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You can use more cutting-edge distros like Fedora for the latest software. Your system might not be as stable though. Also, downloading and installing programs from the Web may create library conflicts and break your install.

[–]whistlepig 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also, downloading and installing programs from the Web may create library conflicts and break your install.

Not as much with applications, but definitely riskier with more system type programs.

[–]cant_even 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This3

The latest of everything is only available in "tarballs" or somesuch: What am I supposed to do with them? Where do you put them? I don't even know where the old firefox is/was (is it still there?), and now I have an un-zipped thing in my "home directory"...

[–]happysmash27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gentoo could really use a faster package manager too, that also hopefully has less package conflict problems. Also, a good way to deal with proprietary software that has library conflicts, like Steam. These have been really big issues for me lately, and I've been spending a lot of time updating everything with emerge.

I think more of the general public should learn to use command lines to a degree. because command lines are very good user interfaces for many things, but I don't think the public should be introduced to Linux and needing to use them. Rather, I think Linux distributions should have powerful graphical tools that users can use when they first switch, then they can optionally learn about the command line when it is more convenient to do so.