Many times the “mtf butches” seem to see lesbian butches as “straight men,” like themselves before transition, and like how 99% of straight people see butches who do not know any real lesbians. It’s based on stereotypes that come from heterosexual gender roles. Butches don’t fit that.

Butches are not the “man” in the relationship! Lots of “mtf” butches seem to want to play the “man” role, as if being butch gives them access to that, when lesbian butches are just women who have a certain look and may or may not identify with some aspects of “masculinity.” They are ALL different, and certainly not a stereotype.

This shows an alarming lack of understanding of butch women, clearly they have much less in common with butches than they think. It’s annoying how “mtf butches“ end up bringing all of the gross man roleplay stuff into the lesbian community by bragging about how they are such “aggressive tops.” Do these dudes know that butches are not patriarchal stereotypes and very unlikely to even be “tops”? Lol. I’ve met very few butch tops, and they definitely didn’t go on at length about it in a creepy gross way, and were very loving people. I don’t know who mtf butches think they are relatable to here, but it’s not lesbian butches. Omg. Lesbian butches spend forever convincing women they are NOT creeps.

And omg poly ppl who sleep with men calling themselves “lesbians” is brutal. I know a “trans woman” who met her “trans man” boyfriend on a dating app for WOMEN. And she dates men, ftms, and women. That’s not lesbian, girl. It’s just not. I’m fact, you and your primary partner are essentially a heterosexual couple. Lol

I told her she needs to stop using lesbian if she’s gonna date men. I was like “fine, you’re a trans-lesbian if you transition mtf and date women, but if you’re gonna date males and females you are not a lesbian of any category, ffs.” She was mad at me for a few days. Lol. (I’m using female pronouns for her because she is my good friend and she’s cool. I know some women here wouldn’t do that, and I am sorry to offend anyone, my friend knows how I feel about all of this and she’s worried too, she likes being transsexual and doesn’t consider herself a woman in the way we are, she says she “identifies WITH women as opposed to “as” a woman.”) Anyway, it’s really annoying how even trans ppl want to act like being bi doesn’t exist and keep saying “lesbian.”