They Know Most People Are Walking Around Half Asleep And Not Paying Any Attention

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[–]Canbot 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Worse than car mechanics. We need transparency and oversight of the medical industry.

[–]redditbegay 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

We NEED to remove 'profit' from healthcare, until these robbers arent gotten rid of, these deaths and exploitation will continue....

[–]Canbot 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Fuck that, your solution is worse than the problem. The VA is absolute fucking garbage. Without a profit motive no one would do anything. Doctors aren't in it for the pats on the back. All we need to do is make sure they aren't scamming the system and actually work for their money.

[–]goatmeal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

the profit motive would work great for health care if there was transparent pricing and ample competition.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, let's do that!

[–]Iam1ofMany 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Starting in 2021 all hospitals will be required to post their prices online. However, this may create just as much if not more confusion. I have done reporting/analyses on hospitals charges and even for someone who "understands" them it can be very confusing. It really isn't the hospitals fault on the complexity of it all either. It is more due to the government/insurance companies forcing them to certain standards which is a good thing and not a bad thing.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Nonprofits still pay their employees. It's not like just because the business doesn't make a profit that suddenly all of its employees aren't paid. That's not how it works. The idea that removing profit from the healthcare industry equates to not paying anyone is a strawman at best, and dishonest at worst.

And the VA is garbage because it's managed by the government. The free market wouldn't do a good job either, though. It should be a government-funded, veteran-owned cooperative. We need populist solutions, not capitalist or socialist ones.

[–]redditbegay 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

your solution is worse

The VA has accountability right now? lmao nibba.

Doctors aren't in it for the pats on the back.

SO VA doctors are volunteers? Cool story bro.

[–]bagano1 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

People won't like you for saying this in the US, but health care and real estate really shouldn't be for profit like it is. In places like Toronto, NYC and San Francisco, it's becoming impossible to survive there.

Think about it, I can win the lottery or use daddy's money to buy up a ton of real estate and just gouge people because they have no other options. That's messed up.

[–]FreedomUltd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If we're gonna get the government involved, why not do it right and go full NHS?

[–]Canbot 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That is like saying "if were going to get fire involved why don't we use a flamethrower to light the candles?".

The government should regulate, and never control. That is a proven strategy. Government running things is a proven disaster.

[–]FreedomUltd 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Government running things is a proven disaster.

The US government. Many other governments are successfully running good health care systems.

The US government doesn't serve the people. They still bother to pretend, barely, to serve our interests. Everything that doesn't serve the interests of the elite they do horribly... on purpose. They do deserve the elite very effectively however.

As long as they don't need to serve the interests of the people, they aren't going to regulate any industry effectively. Including the medical industry of course.

If we ever get them to implement a national health system, we will have put sufficient fear into our government. From there we just need to keep it up.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Why don't you try engaging in the truth rather than just your feelz.

[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is not a single emotional argument within a hundred miles.

The truth is exactly what I said it is.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We need a system similar to France, not the UK. The NHS is garbage because it's ran by the government, and the American healthcare system is garbage because it's managed by the free market. Instead it should be managed by the People, through mutually-owned cooperatives. We need populist solutions, not capitalist or socialist ones.

[–]AnarchySpeach 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

(Disclaimer: I'm pro-capitalism.) The fact that hospitals have the legal ability to obfuscate prices is bullshit. It goes against everything that capitalism stands for and the fact that so few people care boggles my mind. Everybody keeps talking about insurance and medicare when the real problem is the lack of competition between hospitals. They're run like a business with the power to make up numbers. Imagine if you knew going to a different dentist would save you $200. The vast majority of people are more than willing to drive an extra 30 minutes to save that much money. Not every trip to the doctor is a life or death emergency.

The power to choose the cheaper option would force these places to lower their prices. That's how it works in the rest of the market. Why the fuck are they the exception?

They should be legally required to list the prices of everything. A pdf you can access with your phone would be an easy start. There shouldn't be a mystery. Give the internet 24 hours. There would be spreadsheets and free apps telling you which hospital has the best prices for what you need.

Apologies in advance for the vox link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tct38KwROdw but this bullshit is criminal. If I tried pulling half that crap on a customer I would be sued so fast my lawyer would smack me.

[–]Zapped 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, although I think "insurance" is a big part of the problem, as well. In my opinion, health insurance should not be an employment benefit. That started when salaries were capped during WW2 and companies needed a way to recruit new employees. Also, the insurance companies love the ACA. Why even try to offer value when the entire country is forced to buy what you're selling.

[–]goatmeal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

competition is stifled by government. you need to beg the government for permission to build an acute care facility. having three or more competing facilities within driving distance as well as transparent pricing would send health care costs to the floor.

Not every trip to the doctor is a life or death emergency

The vast majority of trips to acute care facilities are not life or death emergencies. A person would be led to believe otherwise if they are the kind of person who refuses to ever go unless it's in the back of an ambulance.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Give the internet 24 hours.

That's so accurate it's funny.

[–]bagano1 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They still have monopolies that are hard to break so it wouldn't help. Car repair is much the same way. There's a lot of competition but they still charge outrageous rates.

[–]Algebruh 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I bet that can be negotiated down as well. They probably charge so much as a negotiation tactic with the insurance companies, that and few people contest it. I dropped a bill to 10 percent of the first quote by saying that "I can't pay that, work with me" they were nice about it, excluding that one bitch.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The US Healthcare system is flawed.

That being said, with that face, that cunt deserves it

[–]soyboy77 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most medical related charges make no sense to the layman anyway

[–]Rah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks, Obama.

[–]johnnybravo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

$4000

That's like a small car, isn't it?

[–]bagano1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I was on some Tiktok and this fucking nurse anesthesist said she made $150K a year. I guess you can make mid-200K too or thereabouts. There were people from Germany and the Netherlands going like..."I make $40k, WTF?"

My dad is a doctor, trained overseas of course because becoming a doctor in the US is hard as fuck. I used to go to some of the flyover state places he got jobs in. Hospital is the nicest building in town, everyone else lives in a trailer park and is on meth, working at Wal-Mart or Pizza Hut. That's fucked up. So you have these people rolling around making $150-300K or MORE, giving people medical bills they will never be able to pay and living like kings.

I used to work in food service and it was just obscene because drug companies, nurses, hospital administrators probably accounted for almost 90% of our catering business. Without the health care industry, many of the restaurants and stores out there would probably shut down.

I can't see this ending well. I really can't.

[–]Shales123 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No thanks, I'm not doing 7 years of schooling for a salary of 40k