This Is Your Brain On Capitalism

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

You're simplifying it to dissect it. I get it. But that's not the idea i had.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

That is the problem with all these idealistic leftists. You all never think past the platitudes. It's always "school should be free" and that is the end of your thought. And whenever someone challenges that with details about why that won't work or is a bad idea all you do is shut down. You never put any deep thought into anything, so you never get past the catch phrase.

Group ownership of business does not work. Running a business by vote does not work. The closest thing that can work is the stock market. The most capitalist of all institutions.

The tragedy of the commons is why group ownership of property doesn't work. Everything need maintenance, and how you treat things determines how much maintenance. A public bus costs more to maintain than a private one, but the private one is always 100x nicer. Ghetto people always destroy property at a rate 100x that of upper class people. There will never ever be peace because the ghetto people will always assume they have the shitty stuff because they are being mistreated, and the upper class will always hate them for their destructive behavior. It can't last.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Group ownership of a business does work. You just gotta find a balance between hierarchy, "the crowd" and the owners that is fair.

It may be not as easy to implement as it is done at the moment in most companies but it is absolutely possible.

I know some communities in my direct neighbourhood that operate exactly in this way. Maybe it is in fact not that scalable as all the known solutions are, idk.

But: Guess what ? People participating in it are relatively happy because they easily can recognize two things:

They effort they put into it and the greater goal they did it for. Because they actually discussed and peer-reviewed it.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

My co workers are morons. I don't want any of them having any say in anything that I rely on for income. I don't want to live like that, most people don't. Stop trying to force it on them, especially when you have every opportunity to live the way you want already.

Socialism is not about allowing socialists to have worker owned businesses, they already have that. Socialism is about taking away everyone else's right to live the way they want to live.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I don't force anything on anyone. I just wrote that it can be made to work.

And your "simple" definition of "socialism" sure as hell ain't mine.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Socialism requires forcing it others. No one living under socialism is allowed to own their own business. Under Capitalism you are free to do what you want. Advocating for Socialism IS ADVOCATING FOR FORCING IT ON EVERYONE.

Otherwise everything you want to do under socialism you can voluntarily do right now. You can start a fund to pay for other people's education, healthcare, whatever. Socialism says you don't get a fucking choice, you have to pay for everyone else's everything.

Socialism IS tyranny. '

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That is an implementation you are describing. Not more. Because we haven't seen more so far.

I believe "societies" have to get way smaller to survive any ways, so there is that for one.

And concerning this argument of yours "you are forced" : So you don't pay taxes ? Did you built the streets you are driving on yourself ?

Do you build the car you are driving yourself ? Your computer ? Any software ?

Shall i call IRS ?

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If your way only works for small societies then let's stop saying we should implement it in our large society. Maybe after the purge, when 80% of the population is dead we can revisit it. Sound good?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah... Secretly my friends and me are doing this right now but don't tell anyone, ok ?