Capitalism Is A Broken Worthless Outdated System Of Control

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[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

One problem is that "enough to live on" is an incredibly controversial and propagandized amount. It is never enough. The answer to "how much?" is always "more".

The system we use, if it is to have any hope of creating a viable country, has to encourage people to work. Not just a little bit, it has to force people to work. We do not live in the Star Trek universe where things pop into existence. One could argue that if welfare pays more than minimum wage then welfare is too high.

So we have to take a step back and calm down, and look at the whole thing without emotions. To honestly ask the question "should the minimum wage increase or should welfare decrease?". That has to start with an honest answer to "how much is enough to live on?". I have yet to meet a single person arguing for more welfare or a higher minimum wage who is willing to have an honest and sober discussion on that topic.

It is simply outrageous how many government handouts there are. There are multiple programs purporting to give money for the same thing and people are double and triple dipping. And the welfare programs are purposefully obfuscated to prevent an honest accounting.

There should be one, and only one welfare program. Until we can prune the giant overgrown bush of welfare programs we should absolutely not increase them.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Let's discuss a Maximum Wage?

How much is too much to exploit for your workers, your society, your nation, your culture, your planet, and from nature?

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The way you frame it is disingenuous. No one is exploiting anyone. No one owes you a job. No one owes you food, or money. No one is born to take care of you. If you don't like how much you are getting paid go somewhere else. Or better yet start your own business.

Any min wage has to prove itself to have some value beyond servicing your bullshit caricature of the relationship between employer and employee. If paying the bottom rung more produces benefits to society that outweigh the costs then it should be done for that reason. That means that the poor who are benefiting have to provide some extra benefit as a result of receiving more money. So one would have to set up a controlled system where such things could be measured. Increase the min wage in city A and look at the results. If the results can not show a tangible benefit then you must admit that the experiment is a failure. That paying the poor is simply a waste of money.