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[–][deleted] 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

A lot of straight women will do things that are kind of romantic with their close friends. That's essentially what you get when you remove all sexual desire.

I don't think men do it as often though.

[–]opinioncloset 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Used to be more common in the past. Lots of very effusive platonic love letters between men in the archives. They unfortunately often get interpreted as "secretly gay" by a lot of modern people because they can't conceptualize the idea of close male friendships

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They unfortunately often get interpreted as "secretly gay" by a lot of modern people because they can't conceptualize the idea of close male friendships

Which is sad, but that is the reality. So many people are unaware that two men can be extremely close friends and love each other like they are brothers. Women who struggle with understanding this fact don’t interact with men that much, or only know men who are socially inept. But there are men who cannot understand this as well, probably due to a lack of male role models in childhood and not knowing how to maintain friendships with other men.

I’m close with my best friend, who is a straight man. We tell each other things we don’t tell others, and we’re both single. My family makes jokes about him being my boyfriend, but they know we’re just friends. But it wouldn’t surprise me if people thought we were lovers, because heaven forbid two single men be friends with each other.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Men don’t do it as much, but we do go out to dinner together and do other things. Men don’t tell each other "I love you", except for family members, but our friendly gestures say it for us. We communicate differently. Sometimes to a point where two men are close friends, and people mistake them for a couple because they tell each other things they won’t tell their partners/spouses.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It was pretty common in the past. Horatio Nelson for instance on his death bed wanted to be kissed by his best friend who had taken over command after he had been shot. Guy was totally straight in his many romantic/sexual escapades at least from what we can see. It was just considered to be more of an affectionate thing for close friends at the time. Considering he was dying despite his vainglorious nature I assumed he was still also scared and needed intimacy from a close friend.

British media though much later tried to censor this fact because it could hurt the image of masculinity a national martyr should have.

[–]fuck_reddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

People don’t realize how common kissing was in the pre-modern past, and not as a gesture of intimacy. It was part of the liturgy for the Patriarch of Constantinople and the Byzantine Emperor to share “the kiss of peace.” A less formal variation existed in the West between the Pope and kings. Something tells me they weren’t all closet cases…

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Yeah it was common to give a kiss to your lord when giving homage in medieval Europe too. Right on the lips lol.