LifestyleDoes anyone have any suggestions for how to not feel so depressed about all this?

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[–]soundsituationI myself was once a gay 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There were a couple topics especially that usually led to fights that kept being brought up, over and over again:

  1. "bisexuals suck"
  2. "being a gold star lesbian is amazing / gold stars are victims"
  3. "let's talk about comphet"

I noticed this too (albeit in retrospect since I only started using saidit regularly 6-8 months ago), and I'm noticing the exact same thing on ovarit, so I suspect that the shills have migrated over there. None of these topics fall outside the believable realm of occasional discussion but the fact that it's a repetitive pattern (and one that many users clearly dislike) makes me think it's inorganic. And I think the point is to drive users away from forums.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

so I suspect that the shills have migrated over there. None of these topics fall outside the believable realm of occasional discussion

For mentally healthy people, that is. It seems to me like at least a subset of radical feminists have an unhealthy fixation on and hatred of bisexual women... I mean, it's consistent with the belief system. "Women should only date women because men are terrible"-- and bisexual women, who actually have a choice between dating men and women, get maligned for dating men and they're seen as immoral and terrible. Jo Bartosch, a bisexual radical feminist, wrote an article about biphobia among radical feminists. Those "lesbian radical feminists" she's talking about aren't lesbian... they're political lesbians. AKA, women who aren't actually homosexual and are speaking over actual lesbians.

edit: But perhaps there are a drove of trolls following the radfems around. I wouldn't be surprised, given the vitriolic, hateful bent of the "AgainstHateSubreddits" community. Such an ironic name.

[–]soundsituationI myself was once a gay 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think it's a drove of trolls. I think it's one person with tons of alts who strategically inflames the naturally existing pressure points in a group in the hopes of--my best guess--driving people away from that group. Tensions and differing opinions do exist in heterogeneous communities such as this one, and even among lesbians whose common denominator isn't a shared ideology after all, but just a bio-social reality. Most people--sane people--who find themselves in philosophically diverse spaces know that in order to maintain a pleasant and collaborative atmosphere it's best to highlight those tensions rarely, if ever, and with a light touch. So that's one reason why a specific type of "grievance" post raises red flags for me. The other reason is that this is a known pattern of ((that one user)); it doesn't require much stretch of the imagination to think that this subsaidit and perhaps even this site aren't the only places he's trolled.

So that's my $.02. I won't keep trying to convince you, though, because your points are valid as well and all either of us can do is speculate anyway.

"Women should only date women because men are terrible"

Genuinely curious, do they actually say this? I mean, you're right, that is consistent with some radfems' beliefs, but I always thought the bisexual hatred came more from a place of insecurity (about being left for a man) or jealousy (resenting the fact that bisexuals have more options, one of which is more socially acceptable).