Indoctrination / DoublethinkInternalized homophobia, vagina envy, and misogyny among male TRAs

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[–][deleted] 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Why would you be jealous of straight sex? Like 40% of straight women don't even orgasm during sex.

[–]KimiORabu[S] 14 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

True. Homophobes place "straight sex" on a pedestal and demean gay sex, eventhough most women can't "orgasm" during "straight sex".

People fall for the "trans", "gender identity" agenda because of envy and jealousy. They are not content with what they have. They want more. It's always, "me, me, me". "Why don't I have a vagina?", or "why don't I have a penis?".

If you pay attention to the comments, they claim the "perfect human form has both a penis and a vagina": https://www.reddit.com/r/TopsAndBottoms/comments/pxei7z/comment/hep9ct5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

I definitely want both my penis AND a vagina. I'm a very greedy person who likes sex too much to compromise

Actually throw in boobs to the mix and you've got the perfect human form

https://www.reddit.com/r/TopsAndBottoms/comments/pxei7z/comment/henluu0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

I was on one of the ftm trans subs, saw one guy had gotten bottom surgery but without a vagioplasty (bad spelling probably) and honestly, I loved the look of dick+balls+vulva & t-dick.

If that were the future of the human race I wouldn't hate it one bit.

Those supporting the "trans", "gender identity" agenda are miserable. Nothing is enough for them. They would strive for something more, e.g. "a human with double dick, double vagina, laser eyes", etc, etc, if their wish for "a human with a vagina and a penis" came true (which hopefully will not come true).

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Sometimes I regret finding Reddit and realizing people like that exist.

[–]KimiORabu[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Same. And sometimes I regret internet itself exists because it helps false information, degeneracy, and mental illness like this spread more easily ...

[–]TiredTrendersSuper-gay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's the scariest thing about it imo. These people exist and have always existed. We're only finding out about them now, because the internet and reddit have given them a place to make these posts.

[–]JulienMayfair 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These people exist and have always existed.

To some extent, but a lot of these people are the product of years of over-exposure to online porn, and they have to keep searching for novel things to try to maintain the effect.

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Body dysmorphic disorder tends to do that to a person. Nothing is ever enough to fix what they feel is wrong with their body. Doesn't help that society is now at a point where it just encourages those feelings.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Pretty much no matter how much validation you are going to give to these people the vast majority aren't that deluded. They know what they see when they look in a mirror. They know the issues their body has that won't give them the ideal form they desire. The only way these people would be happy if we get cyberpunk levels of body modification and even then I highly doubt their insecurities would go away.

It's importance no matter how you feel or vision yourself you come to terms with who you are. That doesn't just mean positive self love validation either. It's why I think for those that are struggling with these issues I think this kinda of therapy would help with maybe the added support of being an effeminate guy or masculine woman. TRAs though ultimately just care about getting other people to transition not whether that transition leaves the person happier which is why they shout down possible other forms of dealing with these issues or other reasons causing it.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seriously best thing about being into women as women is sex with the lack of dick and how it leads to so much flexibility, variety, creativy, orgasms amount and duration (this is way I despise lesbians using top and bottom as wanting to limit a couple into a role, basically destroying the good about female homosexuality). Also pussy and boobs are just nature masterpieces

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The idea that women don't need foreplay b/f just putting something in the vagina is exactly the reason so many women don't orgasm from straight sex. B/c men don't understand the female body or how to pleasure a woman. All they can think about is p in v, no imagination or creativity beyond that

[–]TiredTrendersSuper-gay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ignorance. I doubt any of them even know, let alone, want to acknowledge what you've just said.

[–]censorshipment 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What does "no prep" mean? Are those gay men? I know a tad bit about gay sex... like men needing enemas to poop first before anal lol

I mean... sometimes we poop first too. Fucking with a colon full of shit is uncomfortable. And bathing is a must before sex! That's prepping.

[–]KimiORabu[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Some of the people in that thread are gay men. Not all. There are comments left by "trans men" (women) and men who sleep with "trans men" (women) too (gross ...). "Trans right activists" have invaded the spaces of gay men and gay women. The sub, despite its name, is not for gay men anymore.

These men are jealous of vaginas because they don't require too much "prep" before so-called "sex", prep being the bathing and diet for instance, and wish they had so-called "vaginas" so they could have spontaneous so-called "sex" whenever they wanted.

They claim some men had "bottom surgery" to make their "dreams come true": https://www.reddit.com/r/TopsAndBottoms/comments/pxei7z/comment/heptsrh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

I saw a guy on Twitter the other day who identifies as a man, I guess he’s cis, and had bottom surgery to have a vagina.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TopsAndBottoms/comments/pxei7z/comment/heojtjd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

I always fantasize about having a vagina but remaining male. My wildest, biggest fantasy is having a full time Dom make me have bottom surgery. I'd love to just roleplay it too IRL or in chat.

They imagine they have "vaginas": https://www.reddit.com/r/TopsAndBottoms/comments/pxei7z/comment/henbihz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

I often fantasize I have a pussy as a guy and my top is fucking it. Part of the advantages would be lack of prep

https://www.reddit.com/r/TopsAndBottoms/comments/pxei7z/comment/henfdc6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

i want to know the sensation eating the coochie. I used to watch a lot of porn video of man eating the box. I wanted to be women's place so bad.

There's too much internalized homophobia and vagina envy in the thread. I fear they will go full "trans identified" male

[–]Dromedary 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Prep could also mean "PrEP", or Pre-exposure Prophylaxis. It's an effective medication to prevent HIV transmission/ infection before sex.

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    [–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I mean, i kind of said something similar to a gay (lgbt) club in college but it was framed differently. While I was there people started turning towards this identity based BS and I wasn't buying it at all. Some of them were arguing that guys who have gay sex can be straight if they want. Somehow the conversation meandered into them asking me if i wanted to be a woman and I said it would be much easier to find a date and also have sex that way but all the female body maintenance would be inconvenient.

    [–]KimiORabu[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The difference between your "it may have been easier in some areas, but I'm content with what I have" and their "it would be easier, which is why I fantasize about having a p-ssy and a dom that f-cks that p-ssy" is you move on, while these men don't. They steal the words we women use to describe ourselves, and get off on them (e.g. "boy p-ssy", "mangina", etc) because deep down, they despise themselves and the gay sex they have (trigger warning): https://www.reddit.com/r/FemBoys/comments/pxcp6e/ass_pussy/

    That was linked in the thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/TopsAndBottoms/comments/pxei7z/comment/heooc4l/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

    Their fetishization of women's bodies is misogynistic.

    They are homophobic, envious of women's vaginas and oblivious to the fact that "a man with a vagina" is an oxymoron (and no, a "fleshlight" or a "neovagina" is not a vagina), something that violates the very definition of a male. They will never reach their scifi dream. It's best they accept themselves and who they are. That's what the gay rights movement is for after all, to accept who you are, not dwell on what you don't and can't have.

    [–]Q-Continuum-kin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's more that I was indifferent to the idea which really pissed them off. I think it was a different time someone was getting worked up about my insistence that gender identity wasn't real and that i didn't have one. They sort of angrily asked me how I would feel if I woke up one day in a female body and I said the same thing about it being easier to be straight.

    Their whole thing that drives me nuts is that they pathologize perfectly healthy bodies or use a sexual fetish as an excuse to try and have magical body modifications done while forcing everyone else to see them as something they aren't.