A poor soul's heart is aching over DroptheT meanies at Saidit

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[–][deleted] 53 insightful - 5 fun53 insightful - 4 fun54 insightful - 5 fun -  (13 children)

do we really want to disregard a group that got us started so long ago?

Started what? What did trans people start? They just hitched a ride on the already existing gay rights movement.

France legalized homosexuality in 1791. That's almost 200 years before Stonewall. Fucking Napoleon did more to advance gay rights than trans people ever did since he pushed his legal code into Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg as well, legalizing homosexuality there. Maybe we should worship Napoleon as our lord and savior instead of Marsha P. Johnson.

Stonewall was never the start of the fight for gay rights. It was a tipping point in the United States, where homosexuality was still illegal, but the fight there has started long before then.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 39 insightful - 3 fun39 insightful - 2 fun40 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

I wouldn't want to paint with such a broad brush (who am I kidding? It's fun!) but it's just another example of the mindset of American exceptionalism, and the belief that everyone online is an American.

Same-sex marriage was legalised in the US in 2015. If you read some of the media around it you'd think that America was the first and only nation to have done so, never mind the fact that several European countries (and others besides, like South Africa) had legalised same-sex marriage several years previously.

You see this all the time with 'issues': ignorant, hectoring Americans from Bumblefuck, Idaho lecturing you about contemporary issues in your own country which are always viewed through the prism of their own country's history.

So Brexit is like Trump right?

No, Cody. Shut up.

I know of course that not all Americans are like this, so I hope my friends from across the pond will forgive me my little outburst. 🇺🇸

[–][deleted] 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Same-sex marriage was legalized in 2001 here in Netherlands. The US didn't even fully legalize gay sex until 2003. The US was far from the forefront of gay rights, but people on the internet treat the US gay rights movement like it was the end all, be all of gay rights.

And then young idiots here start treating the US gay rights movement like it was ours and that we should be grateful to some drag queens from the US for our rights.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's very frustrating. A (straight?) colleague wrote an internal blog post recently about how much we 'owe' to the Stonewall riots. There are discussions to have about that, sure, but no.

Black colleagues don't talk about how much they 'owe' Rosa Parks or Harriet Tubman.

[–][deleted] 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The only thing they can give credit to Stonewall for is the Pride parades. Which are arguably harmful to the LGB community at this point.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 26 insightful - 8 fun26 insightful - 7 fun27 insightful - 8 fun -  (3 children)

I love the idea of pushing Napoleon as an LGB icon!

[–]julesburm1891 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Absolutely. The most iconic painting of the guy is him valiantly riding into the Alps on a steed. I’ll take that as our go-to historical image over Marsha any day.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

we got the perfect theme song

https://youtu.be/Sj_9CiNkkn4

[–]julesburm1891 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I literally can’t think of a better song to drunkenly sing at a gay bar.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Napoleon did he so to piss off the Church. Napoleon was the best lol

[–]fuck_reddit 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Dont forget switzerland!

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

True. Sadly Switzerland made it illegal again after Napoleon's defeat. Switzerland needed more Napoleon.

[–]fuck_reddit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Aw, i wasnt aware of that… just knew they still have a legal code based in the Napoleon code…

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

They started the ugly ass flags collection.