Homophobia"It literally makes me insane"

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[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Is that what it used to be about? I think I'm too young to remember that phase.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Yes and it wasn’t even that long ago. That’s actually still what the average person thinks of when they think of trans: fragile, mentally ill, highly effeminate homosexual MtF. They were also so few in number and not very visible or discussed in society, not even “LGBT discourse” until perhaps Laverne Cox and Caitlyn Jenner rose to fame as trans people around ~2014/2015. Gay people weren’t being indoctrinated into referring to other gay people and themselves as “LGBT.” We were just “gay.” It’s literally fewer letters even. I will never understand how it’s OK to refer to us with a political label established by lobbying groups trying to amass as many people together as possible under one incongruous, nonsensical umbrella for maximum $$$ and control.

Can we force Nigerians, Australians, and the Vietnamese under one umbrella and call them NAV?

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes and it wasn’t even that long ago. That’s actually still what the average person thinks of when they of trans: fragile, mentally ill, highly effeminate homosexual MtF.

Really. That's fascinating. That is definitely not what I think of... I think of "nonbinary"-identified women who tend to date men.

I will never understand how it’s OK to refer to us with a political label established by lobbying groups trying to amass as many people together as possible under one incongruous, nonsensical umbrella for maximum $$& and control.

Overwhelmed by the majority, there's more of them than there are LGB... And BTW I commented this also on a previous comment of yours and keep meaning to respond to it! I've seen statistics from a) GLAAD, or another one of those unreliable lobbying organizations, that suggested a ratio of 2:3 i.e. 2 lesbian/gay/bisexual/asexual people for 3 trans people, among Gen Z (which is the group with the highest number of LGBT, period, so they dominate the conversation) - post about it b) LGBT statistics at undergraduate institutions. The Gallup poll and similar nationwide surveys often poll through landlines... so they're mostly getting older adults, many of whom might take "T" to mean "transsexual" and not transgender, resulting in lower rates. I swear I'll make a post about this sometime soon once I get a couple-hours' chunk of time.

edit: Also I appreciate this comparison, lol:

Can we force Nigerians, Australians, and the Vietnamese under one umbrella and call them NAV?

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I love your statistical analyses so I would love to see that.

We definitely have a statistics problem in the alphabet soup. And it seems that they’re always manipulated and harnessed to the benefit of TQ. Statistics that indicate problems for us will solely get cited as a call to action for them (statistics about violence and criminalization especially). I’ve started being more vocal about this IRL as real life examples come up. And it’s why we need to have demographic information collected at a factual level not just an identity level. Like sure see what identities people identify as and look for incongruence between label and facts. Like cool you identify as “gay” and a “man” but your sex is female, you’re only attracted to members of the male sex, and your gender identity is male. That’s the stuff we need to know.

Edit: On another note, it might be interesting for you to ask people you know when they first heard the phrase “gender identity.” I’m not lying when I say that I only started hearing the words in 2017/2018. In 2017, as a lawyer I was working on preparing a diversity training for a company and I came across the phrases “gender identity,” “gender expression,” and some other gender phrase in some source material. At first I was like “oh this makes sense” and then I realized no it didn’t because I could not explain it in my own words. It did not resonate at all for me. And I was very liberal and woke. I had graduated college a few years before and never heard those words or phrases come up. No one was talking about “transgender” or “transexual.” I was not out as gay yet and I was not hanging around gay spaces. Around 2018 is when I started being in gay spaces more and I looked up “non-binary” for the first time in early 2019. And it made no sense. I figured I was missing something. I didn’t start hearing about “gender identity” in public discourse outside of LGBT spaces until 2019.

This stuff is very, very recent. And considered very niche and irrelevant by most people. I’m a millennial not Gen Z though, and if I had to make a guess there was a few year delay while the newly indoctrinated were in college before they gathered and entered the workforce where they staked out their activism.

If you want to see the changes in another context look at media publications and what they said about gay/LGBTQ/gender stuff before late 2019 and after. That was the tipping point. There was a huge media crackdown at that point, not long before COVID lockdown. This stuff has really flourished when people were interacting in person less than ever. And by media crackdown, I mean look at articles on these topics by the same publication (i.e, NY Times, the Atlantic, WaPost, etc.). They get sanctimonious and very dystopian now and present a very distorted view of everything without including other perspectives. It’s very “We’ve Always Been at War With East Asia.”

I also recently ran some searches through my work emails to see when the gender/LGBTQ madness came to my workplace and it was mid-2020. I think a lot of companies started formally adopted the guidance of the HRC around that time.