Gay MenOPINION: Being A Non-Binary Bear In A Toxic Masculine Space - Bear World Magazine

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[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I guess I’m one of the few gay men who don’t like him.

You're not the only one.

His association with a certain person kind of muddled my feelings in relation to him.

MASC4MASC

People have the right to decide who they want to hang around and have sex with.

This shouldn't be a hard thing to understand.

By "they", do you mean bears? Because I’m pretty sure we don’t get these looks at sports bars or "straight" bars.

Also, I don't believe most bears are dumb/narcissistic enough to barge in a space which doesn't welcome their presence.

Are we supposed to let twinks and NBs boss us around just because homophobes were mean to us? No, we have enough problems with homophobes besides non-binary gender weirdos making our lives miserable. Leave us alone.

Also, it's funny how this guy is speaking for twinks even though he isn't one.

Oh, it's almost like most of them don't care about this shite and already have their own spaces to hang around with each other!

I get it, you have a problem with masculinity. But masculinity is what a lot of gay men are attracted to, and so many gay men are naturally masculine. If you don’t like it, then leave us alone. And the fact that you have compared gay male masculinity to a stinkbomb illustrates your homophobia and entitlement.

Exactly, gay men have the right to be masculine... and to be feminine as well.

It's almost like this guy wants to be treated with kiddy gloves his entire life.

If you don’t like it, then stop trying to participate in it. But no. You’d rather storm into spaces that were not meant for you and demand that those spaces cater to you, because you are an entitled, narcissistic attention whore who only cares about himself.

Cluster B disorders are a hell of a drug.

It's no wonder that even a majority of psychologists don't want to deal with this shit.

Are you seriously comparing masculine gay men being themselves and wanting spaces for themselves to homophobia? Are you mentally ill? Don’t answer that, I know. I’m not masculine because of homophobia, I’m masculine because that’s just how I am. I’m also not attracted to masculine men because of homophobia, I’m attracted to masculine men because that’s how my sexuality is.

And there we have it.

These people scream about 'prejudice' and 'bigotry' 24/7 only to hide their own.

Nice!

That was long, but everything I’ve said needed to be said. Comments have been edited for grammar and spelling. Anyway, the comments on this page are not having it, so I’m glad some gay men are standing up for our community.

Yessssss.

I'm very happy to hear this.

We won't bend to the demands of the Cluster Brigade.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You’re right about the twinks. Most twinks don’t give a shit, and whenever I’m in a space meant for twinks, I behave like a guest, because I am a guest. Some twinks like masculine men, and most of the rest are not interested but don’t mind masculine men. Most twinks would be put off by people like Stephen Donnan-Dalzell.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

They would probably mock him for being a narcissistic attention whore, which is fine by me, lmao!

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Graceful twinks would refuse to interact with him, and sassy twinks would laugh at him and belittle his appearance.

[–]Horror-SwordfishI don't get how flairs work 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Just curious, what are the certain type of people you're talking about when you're saying your feelings on RuPaul are muddied? (Edit: I see you actually said a certain person so I guess you're referring to just one person although there have apparently been multiple trans contestants.)

I've been a fan of Drag Race for a long time, but haven't caught up because I don't have cable and only just now found a streaming service that goes past Season 8 (which was the last one I'd seen). I understand that one of the most recent seasons had a woman calling herself a man performing as a woman (and my understanding is also that said contestant made it to the finale or close), and that kind of muddied my feelings on Ru, as well.

But I also know that RuPaul is pretty savvy and I wonder how much he actually buys into the gender nonsense vs. how much he realizes that if he's going to run a drag competition in 2021 that he needs to cater to the genderspecials lest he be cancelled.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don’t hate RuPaul, but I don’t like him either. I just don’t care for drag queens.

[–]Horror-SwordfishI don't get how flairs work 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I like Drag Race specifically but I don't really care for drag queens in real life; I have been friends with a few and they tend to be not really my cup of tea as far as people to hang out with.

I quite enjoy RuPaul as an actor, though, and it does make me a little sad to see him buying into the TQ stuff if that's what he's actually doing and not just trying to keep his show afloat.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I quite enjoy RuPaul as an actor, though, and it does make me a little sad to see him buying into the TQ stuff if that's what he's actually doing and not just trying to keep his show afloat.

My impression of Ru in the last few years has been that he doesn't believe but has decided to play along to protect his media empire.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hopefully RuPaul stands up for himself if he knows what’s going on.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Just curious, what are the certain type of people you're talking about when you're saying your feelings on RuPaul are muddied? (Edit: I see you actually said a certain person so I guess you're referring to just one person although there have apparently been multiple trans contestants.)

So you don't know? Oh my...

The person I'm refering to is none other than Michael Alig, a literal sex pest and murderer.

He was the creator of the whole 'Club Kids' fad, or as I like to call it, the place where bright futures went to die.

He also got involved with Desmond (yes, the 'drag kid') of all people after getting out of jail for killing his drug dealer.

He was a very close friend of RuPaul, who never said a thing condemning his actions, including the murder.

[–]Rag3 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

ALIG WAS FRIENDS WITH RUPAUL? Welp. That solidifies my dislike.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There's a documentary, I believe it's name is 'Party Monster', which explains the link between RuPaul and Alig in a quite detailed way.

It's on YouTube if you want to give it a watch.

[–]Rag3 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh yes! I’ve been meaning to watch that for a long time now. I’m only familiar with Alig from true crime docs in early aughts + the documentary he released when he got out of jail.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

He’s friends with RuPaul. Okay it’s settled, I hate RuPaul.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

RuPaul was a 'Club Kid' himself, so yeah...