BisexualFeeling Isolated As A GC Bisexual.

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    [–]throwaway999 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    trans people aren't demanding sex from you to validate their gender delusions.

    True, which is why it's very important for us to be allies with L&G, especially since we outnumber you.

    What I got from this post is that her point is that she's feeling isolated because most bisexuals are TRAs, but yeah, that is up to us to corral our own.

    [–]Daddiescummies 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    especially since we outnumber you.

    Are you including the fake bisexuals who pretend to be gay when they want attention and retreat back to heterosexuality when they are tired of homophobia or want to re-integrate into heterosexual privilege?

    [–]throwaway999 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Are you including the fake bisexuals who pretend to be gay when they want attention and retreat back to heterosexuality when they are tired of homophobia or want to re-integrate into heterosexual privilege?

    Uh, are they actually interested in both men and women? If so, they are actual bisexuals, not "fake bisexuals". Because yeah, some bisexuals do pretend to be gay, which is a problem. Or, are you using the word "gay" as a term for all same-sex attracted people, including bisexuals? It just wasn't clear. But yeah, we really outnumber you, though most of us don't identify as bi.

    [–]Daddiescummies 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Uh, are they actually interested in both men and women?

    No, but they will say they are for attention until the costs of homophobia outweigh the benefits.

    [–]throwaway999 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    I see this hypothetical het-but-pretending-to-be-bi boogeyman brought up everywhere and I've never met one. You're probably just thinking of het-leaning bis, who will often use homosexuals for sex and then fuck off because they desire the het marriage lifestyle. Of course, this does not describe all het-leaning bis, which are a huge group of people, but this is a recurring pattern due to internalized homophobia (see: heteroromantic bisexuals).

    [–]venusflytrap 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    People just don't like bisexuals. I've noticed.

    [–]throwaway999 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    The hypothetical het-but-pretending-to-be-bi boogeyman actually stands in defense of bisexuals. It basically exists to say: a bi person didn't do something bad! A bi person didn't cause harm to LGB! A bi person didn't defend TRA ideology using rhetoric created by bisexuals which only remotely makes sense to bisexuals (specifically talking about the "sexuality is fluid" myth, but there are many others, such as: "genitals != gender", "who cares what genitals your partner has, bigot")! That person isn't bi! They're really straight but pretending to be bi for attention! Instead of accepting the possibility that a bi person really did do a bad thing.

    [–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    TRA ideology using rhetoric created by bisexuals which only remotely makes sense to bisexuals (specifically talking about the "sexuality is fluid" myth, but there are many others, such as: "genitals != gender", "who cares what genitals your partner has, bigot")!

    Except this rhetoric DOESN'T make sense to bisexuals; we KNOW that our sexuality isn't "fluid" (any more than yours is), we aren't attracted to "gender", and we DAMN SURE CARE WHAT GENITALS OUR PARTNER HAS. What the hell? We're a SEXUAL ORIENTATION, dude. Which NONE of these things is compatible with.

    You know what they ARE compatible with? FANTASIES about bisexuality... as seen from the outside. By people who aren't bisexual. For whom we're merely symbols. Of some woke delusion about how human sexuality "should" work. Everyone oughtta be totally uninhibited! And above such LOWLY concerns as which kind of genitals anybody has! You shouldn't even NOTICE that! Cuz it's all about "gender identity" anyway! THAT'S what people are attracted to-- not your biological sex, but whether you have ladyfeelz or dudefeelz! (Or nonbinaryfeelz, or starfeelz, or whateverthefuckfeelz.) And OF COURSE this is how bisexuality works, since it's not as though we're a sexual orientation or anything! We're the JUNK DRAWER of sexuality! Doesn't fit anywhere else? Just throw it ALL in there!

    So, yeah, this really DOES sound like the Q talking. For whom "attracted to both sexes" means "doesn't CARE what sex anyone is cuz they're attracted to GENDER and totally indiscriminate = LIVIN' THE WOKESTER DREAMTM". Which they are free to think because they don't have any pesky REALITY getting in the way... like we bisexuals do.

    [–]throwaway999 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Except this rhetoric DOESN'T make sense to bisexuals;

    I am a bi former TRA, this is what I and several other former bi friends believed. Yes, it's anecdotal, but you can see this rhetoric embraced in bi and TRA communities.

    (any more than yours is)

    Lol, you're not the first to assume I'm gay.

    You know what they ARE compatible with? FANTASIES about bisexuality... as seen from the outside. By people who aren't bisexual. For whom we're merely symbols. Of some woke delusion about how human sexuality "should" work. Everyone oughtta be totally uninhibited! And above such LOWLY concerns as which kind of genitals anybody has! You shouldn't even NOTICE that! Cuz it's all about "gender identity" anyway! THAT'S what people are attracted to-- not your biological sex, but whether you have ladyfeelz or dudefeelz! (Or nonbinaryfeelz, or starfeelz, or whateverthefuckfeelz.) And OF COURSE this is how bisexuality works, since it's not as though we're a sexual orientation or anything! We're the JUNK DRAWER of sexuality! Doesn't fit anywhere else? Just throw it ALL in there!

    So, yeah, this really DOES sound like the Q talking. For whom "attracted to both sexes" means "doesn't CARE what sex anyone is cuz they're attracted to GENDER and totally indiscriminate = LIVIN' THE WOKESTER DREAMTM". Which they are free to think because they don't have any pesky REALITY getting in the way... like we bisexuals do.

    This is a strawman. Obviously I don't agree with TRA rhetoric. All I said is that bisexuals are the only orientation who would not be repulsed by transsexuals on the basis of their orientation, because a bisexual is not repulsed by either sex's primary or secondary sex characteristics. For example, a lesbian would be repulsed by a transsexual male because he is male, and would be repulsed by a transsexual female because she has biologically masculine characteristics, such as increased body and even facial hair and lack of breasts.

    My point about "sexuality is fluid" being a bi thing is because it is. Let me explain: "sexuality" is fluid does kind of sound meaningless, but what it means is that sexuality can change. It's fluid as opposed to solid or rigid. Now, for a bisexual, one's orientation may appear to change. One day, a bi man may see an attractive man, and think, hmm I am attracted to men today. That makes me a gay man. Then the next day, he sleeps with an attractive woman and enjoys it. "Wow, she turned me straight." This is the kind of nonsense a bisexual may think up in a homophobic world with no bi community. Obviously, that isn't going on with the bi community here on saidit, but we're a tiny minority. There are also sane bis outside of our community, but there also are a ton who are not, as is extensively documented on our sub.