Indoctrination / DoublethinkTrans acceptance will not be complete until forced sex from cis people is legislated

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[–]JulienMayfair 51 insightful - 1 fun51 insightful - 0 fun52 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I posted this elsewhere, but I've noticed that one common TRA strategy is to break things down into weird little pieces and then come up with arguments based on those pieces in isolation with no reference to how those pieces are integral to some kind of whole. The thing is, attraction is holistic. We take in everything about that person.

If you're 6'6" with a square jaw, wide shoulders, a prominent Adam's apple, huge hands, and a deep voice, you're not going to come across to anyone as female. Anyone who can see will add those things up in a fraction of a second. Talking about genitals and genital preferences is a red herring. Attraction is not based on any one thing; it's the whole picture.

We should always call TRAs out on this when they pursue style of argument.

Edit: I have a high-functioning autistic friend, and he has a tendency to do this as well. He's a friend, but it can be maddening.

[–]Criticallacitirc 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think its a weird manifestation of the equal rights movement. Lots of kids have grown up hearing that men & women are equal, which they've incorrectly interpreted as there's no difference between men & women. Which is why they say insane things, like you can't tell someone's sex just by looking at them or not understanding physical differences in sports.

[–]JulienMayfair 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I see your point, but I still think it's mainly a bad-faith argument technique. They seize on one part of the picture, like what genitals one has, but that's never an isolated issue. It's that, plus all the other details that don't fit.

For example, a friend of a friend is a trans woman. In terms of appearance, she passes well, but every time I talk to her, I become aware that I'm talking to someone who used to be a man. It's the things she's interested in and the directions she chooses to take in the conversation. She talks like a guy.

[–]our_team_is_winning 26 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

every time I talk to her, I become aware that I'm talking to someone who used to be a man

He is still a man. That's like talking to someone who wears a cosplay costume full time. It's just a costume.