DiscussionIf the Drop the T movement is successful, would you want the community to return to what it used to be?

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[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The LGB community was deeply dysfunctional and odds with itself before they ever took over

There's a reason for this: LGBT, and LGB for that matter, is a political unit, not a cohesive social group.

Well, historically gay men and lesbians always hanged around separate spaces and had different cultures, but modern LGBT activism served only to homogenize spaces and communities.

Lesbian bars, which used to be a thing, are now gone and the same is happening to gay bars, which are now being called LGBT bars because I don't know.

See what I mean?

Simmering resentments- feminine gay men and masculine lesbians haven't been treated as much respect as they deserve in the past. They are, even today, still being used as a support base by trans-activists. You could throw a lot of the bisexual women activists in here as well, empathizing with another group apparently being mistreated in similar ways to how they were. I'm not going to accuse any of them of being shallow or narcissistic without a solid reason. I know better than to trust that impulse at this point.

I doubt that.

TRAs see gender non-conforming gays and lesbians as eggs waiting to be hatched, nothing else.

As several posts on this very sub show, they are far from being the champions of gender non-conformity.

[–][deleted] 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There's a reason for this: LGBT, and LGB for that matter, is a political unit, not a cohesive social group.

Which is why T took over in Western countries that have made full citizens out of homosexuals, with marriage and broad non-discrimination laws. All the regulars packed it up and went home--mission accomplished. People who can actually be sympathized with by your average straight person. It's the same nature of love and lust, after all.

Activists, the bad kind, have to keep doing their thing. All the big organizations, such as Stonewall and HRC had to pivot to trans to stay relevant, satisfy whatever peculiar psychological functioning that drives their activism, and keep the money flowing.

In these places, I don't think there's a "return." A new chapter, perhaps. Something might come after T, but at which point, I think plenty of people, including laypersons will have wised up to the fact that there's homosexuality, and that there are other things, and won't again conflate anything else as merely gay two-dot-oh. Trans won't be going anywhere, but it won't be the zeitgeist that it presently is, probably just back to where it was a decade ago, where your average person is just vaguely aware that it's a thing they saw one time on television--peculiar, but not relevant.

A halcyon future for gay people is where nobody cares. It's a non-issue, as simple as that the sun rises in the East and sets in the West.

Technology has changed the way people socialize. We're not going back to the 90's, or earlier.

I'm optimistic after T, for the West. There's still work to be done in many countries, however, and certainly part of that is not helping them perceive the West as being completely degenerate.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Activists, the bad kind, have to keep doing their thing. All the big organizations, such as Stonewall and HRC had to pivot to trans to stay relevant, satisfy whatever peculiar psychological functioning that drives their activism, and keep the money flowing.

Precisely.

Professional activists are the ones who benefit the most from the problems they claim to fight against.

It's an interesting conflict of interest.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If it ain't broke you can't fix it.

I've seen this same criticism applied to the non-profit industry in general.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

TRAs see gender non-conforming gays and lesbians as eggs waiting to be hatched, nothing else.

They get preyed on, and it works.

[–]FediNetizenSuper-semi-bisexual (i.e. straight) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

which are now being called LGBT bars because I don't know

Initially I was gonna say they're no longer run by gay men or lesbians trying to provide a safe space for their fellow gays and lesbians, but really I think it's because a lot of SSAs drank the woke kool-aid, and now it's "acceptance without exception" or thereabouts. SSA's that are willing to stand up and say no to the trans cult are still in the minority.

[–]orangina5 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

are you a lesbian? Why did lesbians lose all their bars?

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

are you a lesbian?

Nope, but I happen to know a thing or two about history.

Why did lesbians lose all their bars?

In the same way gay men are losing theirs: the "inclusiveness" doctrine and cultural homogenization.

The first demonizes the entire idea of a gay/lesbian-centric space, because you guessed it, it's exclusionary.

The second slowly morphs gay/lesbian spaces into LGBT spaces, which completes the process.

Things here are so fucked up that gay men are getting bashed inside supposed LGBT spaces, which started to become more and more straight over the years.