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[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Well you didn't give consent to "something else" you gave consent to have sex with the person. The only thing that you can go after them with is they knowingly withhold some STD status.

This is all a bit weird and contrived though for sex with a transperson because even if you are fooled up to a point, once you are naked it becomes obvious. If at that point you still continue, well idk what to tell you.

"Rape by deception" in this transgender case only works if you assume that the person really can deceive you which is a really flimsy argument. You are saying that they legitimately pass so we'll that they are effectively the sex you are attracted to. It's silly. On the other hand, the fact that they are so insistent on decriminalizing this says a lot about their mindset. They really want to get away with rape because we all know they aren't fooling anyone.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaclownfish is a clown or a fish? || Febfem[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not really, you are giving consent to a sex with someone but you get sex with someone else. Or in some cases, like one you named with "being rich or poor" - sex was a price person was paying for something else.

You are saying that they legitimately pass so we'll that they are effectively the sex you are attracted to.

That they look like sex you are attracted to.

This is all a bit weird and contrived though for sex with a transperson because even if you are fooled up to a point, once you are naked it becomes obvious. If at that point you still continue, well idk what to tell you.

Not when you are tiny girl and it is a man against you. A lot of rape cases are discarded because of logic like yours, that after woman was caught by a man or few men, she did not screamed and not fight back. Which is male centric and ridiculous. If she tried fight back, she'd be injured or was murdered, and it is very hard to outrun men, almost impossible (unless you are trained runner and men are untrained and/or fat), and fear can paralize her as well. Seems you don't understand our fears of agressive men and how society and experience tought us to behave to survive. She may say "no", but will be called transphobic or transwoman will just continue, and she can do nothing against TW. I know at least two cases when woman said "no" and was shamed by friends and dropped from her job for "transphobia", and know one case when woman was afraid of such consequences and let tw to rape her, thinking "it is woman's penis, should be different", but then realized it is just regular male in dress. In this case it was social grooming and intimidation, not exactly rape by deception. Remember that movie where a paedo neighbour groomed parents of a kid that he is really good person and loves kids, so when he took their kid for a few weeks, they not even questioned it? It is similar situation in last case. It is still rape and unwanted sex, but it is fault of society in this case.

On the other hand, the fact that they are so insistent on decriminalizing this says a lot about their mindset. They really want to get away with rape because we all know they aren't fooling anyone.

That's true.

And they even have a nerve to call it publically. Just phrasing "be DECEPTION" already sounds really fishy. Even if it is rebranded as "sex" and not as "rape".

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I agree rape happens through coercion or fear, I just don't see the "by deception" qualifier applying here.

It was coined around things like a guy pretending he was rich etc... Then the girl gets pissed later when she discovers he is actually poor.