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[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 33 insightful - 1 fun33 insightful - 0 fun34 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Their priorities changed at the moment transgender issues started to become a big money maker, which came hand on hand with the change in the ones financing them.

It really makes me think: did Stonewall ever really cared about LGB people at all?

Also, this might be controversial, but if a trans person does not disclose their sex to their partner, it's catfishing. There's no way around it.

[–]AlexisK 31 insightful - 6 fun31 insightful - 5 fun32 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

It is a crime called rape by deception, which Stonewall rebranded as "sex by deception". Word "deception" already makes it sound negative, but "Stonewall promoting rape" would sound much worse in their campaign, right?

[–]hufflepuff-poet 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Catfishing is the mildest way to put it, that's straight up rape imo, especially if the trans person is straight trying to pursue a gay man or a lesbian or gay and trying to pursue a straight person--you are lying about the main trait that makes you an incompatible sexual partner for that person, so they will sleep with you... that's rape by deception, cus they aren't able to give fully-informed consent.

[–]TiredTrendersSuper-gay 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Controversial take or not, refusing to disclose your entire status to sex partners and then expecting them to not reject you is catfishing/coercion 101.

[–][deleted] 27 insightful - 6 fun27 insightful - 5 fun28 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Pro-rape is a fucking insane hill for them to fight on. I hope they die on it.

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

To all our UK friends, I hope for your sake that this doesn't go through... this nonsense already passed for us in California, but at least it's not federal:

RECORDING GENDER
birth certificates, passports and driving licenses, along with all forms of identification ... the option to select an "X" gender marker

It's makes no fucking sense at all that legal IDENTIFICATION is being allowed to go off of what's in someone's head. If a LEO is chasing a suspect, how are they supposed to communicate to other LEOs who to look for? "A white suspect of indeterminate gender identity, approximately 5'4"-5'8", 150 lbs, green shoulder-length hair". And healthcare, how are doctors supposed to treat "non-binary" ailments and illnesses that are male/female specific? "Patient X, I'm afraid you have testicular cancer and we'll need to remove your scrotum. I can recommend you to a support group for male, I mean assigned male, oops, um ... gender non-specific cancer survivors". Ridiculous.

Also, can anyone explain what the "spousal veto" thing in the FAMILIES AND MARRIAGE section is all about? I don't get it. I found this explanation of what it means, and I don't see a problem here?

Consequently, where one party transitions, the non-trans party must give their consent to the change of marriage status before a full GRC can be issued. If such consent is withheld, the marriage must be dissolved by divorce or annulled before a full GRC can be issued.

If someone doesn't want to be in a so-called "same sex" marriage with a transitioning person, then yes, they should have every right to say so. It's not like the trans person can't still transition, it just means the marriage is over if they do. Actions have consequences, who woulda thunk.

[–]davids877Straight Male Man 22 insightful - 7 fun22 insightful - 6 fun23 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

"A white suspect of indeterminate gender identity, approximately 5'4"-5'8", 150 lbs, green shoulder-length hair".

Sorry, you're racist, heightist, weightist and hairist, I suspect you're probably also eyecolorist. Mentioning any physical characteristics means you're biased and you need reeducation.

Probably can't even call them a 'suspect' any more. Maybe person of interest, but what if they don't identify as a person. Oh well.

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Probably can't even call them a 'suspect' any more. Maybe person of interest, but what if they don't identify as a person.

You joke, but check out this malarkey: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/philmatier/article/SF-Board-of-Supervisors-sanitizes-language-of-14292255.php

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

LEO

I'm guessing this means Law Enforcement Agency but my mind immediately went to star signs, and with the context of the arguments some of these lunatics make, why the hell not?

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It sounds like there's a fog around legal documents being held up in a certain order of operations. It mentions a hostile divorce and children being involved which can cause a divorce to drag out for a long time. Perhaps judges in the UK can't walk and chew gum at the same time.

[–]orangina5 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

we need to appreciate the infighting within the transexual community and encourage it. they want to remove transexual and replace it with transgender. transexuality/transgenderism is nothing like gay or lesbian. it's a chaotic disaster and the "anyone can be trans" bullshit should be encouraged because it's such a shit show towards the transmedicalist people.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Unfortunately the original transsexuals, Blanchards gay men unable to come to terms with their sexuality, are now well and truly a minority overshadowed by AGP straight men, fag hags, K Pop tragics and other genderosexual special teenagers.

[–]orangina5 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

i genuinely enjoy that though. im not sure if you're gay but i am and i always found them to be so irredeemably vile and never understood why other gay men didnt see them as our enemies.

so theyre gay men who know theyre gay men (and they absolutely know this) but then expect to use our community resources and feel entitled to us helping them "leave us" and turn them into the ugly looking straight women they feel they have a right to be so they can get their straight man? lol do they not understand how narcissistic and insane that sounds? it's like asking a bunch of jews to help you transform yourself into a nazi to be one of the heterosexuals. OK? Why would gays and lesbians help you with this?

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i genuinely enjoy that though. im not sure if you're gay but i am and i always found them to be so irredeemably vile and never understood why other gay men didnt see them as our enemies.

Are you talking about the old school travestites here? If it is, yes, you're right.

The whole point of their transition is to catfish straight men, that's it.

[–]Rage-Xion 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's dowright monstruous. Between that and vandalizing and defunding a rape center how can TRAs claim to be on the good side?

[–]GConly 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I said this a couple of years ago: the transexuals would get screwed over by this. I think they are starting to figure this out too

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh they know

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gotta keep those trans billionaire dollars rolling in

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So much discourse regarding if what counts as “rape by deception” or not. But no matter what, the undeniable bottom line is, if you deliberately withhold information about yourself or pretend to be something you’re not which would directly affect the other person’s consent, just so that you can sleep with that person, you are manipulative and predatory full stop.

[–]usehername 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How dare you oppose rape, you bigots!1!1 Twans weemin can't commit rape because they're too oppressed!!! Can't you see this is just like white people accusing black people of rape REEEEEEEEEEEE

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

"Rape by deception" is not illegal in the US nationally btw. This is very specific to the UK.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaclownfish is a clown or a fish? || Febfem[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Is it because more conservative states are against it? Marital rape in USA became a crime nationally only at 1993 too.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

The precedent is about obtaining consent by lying, like claiming to be rich. The other person can't retroactively revoke consent because they were misled about something. You can stop the encounter at any point but you can't rewind time because you regret a decision.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaclownfish is a clown or a fish? || Febfem[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

But false advertisement is a crime.

If you bought something solely because of X reason, and that X reason was a lie to trick you into buying that something - it is prosecuted in USA as a crime.

It is the very same with consent, except instead of buying person got raped, but now it is for some reason "because they gave consent to something else before, it is not rape".

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Well you didn't give consent to "something else" you gave consent to have sex with the person. The only thing that you can go after them with is they knowingly withhold some STD status.

This is all a bit weird and contrived though for sex with a transperson because even if you are fooled up to a point, once you are naked it becomes obvious. If at that point you still continue, well idk what to tell you.

"Rape by deception" in this transgender case only works if you assume that the person really can deceive you which is a really flimsy argument. You are saying that they legitimately pass so we'll that they are effectively the sex you are attracted to. It's silly. On the other hand, the fact that they are so insistent on decriminalizing this says a lot about their mindset. They really want to get away with rape because we all know they aren't fooling anyone.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaclownfish is a clown or a fish? || Febfem[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not really, you are giving consent to a sex with someone but you get sex with someone else. Or in some cases, like one you named with "being rich or poor" - sex was a price person was paying for something else.

You are saying that they legitimately pass so we'll that they are effectively the sex you are attracted to.

That they look like sex you are attracted to.

This is all a bit weird and contrived though for sex with a transperson because even if you are fooled up to a point, once you are naked it becomes obvious. If at that point you still continue, well idk what to tell you.

Not when you are tiny girl and it is a man against you. A lot of rape cases are discarded because of logic like yours, that after woman was caught by a man or few men, she did not screamed and not fight back. Which is male centric and ridiculous. If she tried fight back, she'd be injured or was murdered, and it is very hard to outrun men, almost impossible (unless you are trained runner and men are untrained and/or fat), and fear can paralize her as well. Seems you don't understand our fears of agressive men and how society and experience tought us to behave to survive. She may say "no", but will be called transphobic or transwoman will just continue, and she can do nothing against TW. I know at least two cases when woman said "no" and was shamed by friends and dropped from her job for "transphobia", and know one case when woman was afraid of such consequences and let tw to rape her, thinking "it is woman's penis, should be different", but then realized it is just regular male in dress. In this case it was social grooming and intimidation, not exactly rape by deception. Remember that movie where a paedo neighbour groomed parents of a kid that he is really good person and loves kids, so when he took their kid for a few weeks, they not even questioned it? It is similar situation in last case. It is still rape and unwanted sex, but it is fault of society in this case.

On the other hand, the fact that they are so insistent on decriminalizing this says a lot about their mindset. They really want to get away with rape because we all know they aren't fooling anyone.

That's true.

And they even have a nerve to call it publically. Just phrasing "be DECEPTION" already sounds really fishy. Even if it is rebranded as "sex" and not as "rape".

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I agree rape happens through coercion or fear, I just don't see the "by deception" qualifier applying here.

It was coined around things like a guy pretending he was rich etc... Then the girl gets pissed later when she discovers he is actually poor.