Discussioncall for opinion: is pornography an LGB issue?

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[–]Preachy_Jerk 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

The toxicity of the porn industry doesn't necessarily mean that consumption of any kind of erotica is inherently bad for human beings. Drug abuse, compulsive behavior, risk-taking, low self-esteem, depression - these are problems across society, and we don't have healthy, effective solutions for any of them.

I know it's counterintuitive in a time with such easy access to audiovisual sexual stimuli to argue that sexual repression is part of the cause of these issues, but I absolutely believe it to be the case. For example, contrary to the author, I don't believe that 50% of men in gay porn are heterosexual. I think male bisexuality is not just real, but prevalent. The gay/straight binary upheld by gay ideology, wider society and this article is both inaccurate and repressive. Some men are homosexual, others are heterosexual; but bisexual men are living with a false belief that their attraction to men invalidates their attraction to women. If you like having sex with men, you are gay, and only pretending to like having sex with women. That's why many gay for pay guys doth protest too much when talking about sex with men as an unpleasant job - and then you see them rock-hard, leaking precum with a cock inside them.

On a wider scale, think of all the sexual frustration young men experience that could be relieved by enjoying each other, like they have in other cultures - but they don't. It has to come out somewhere, so they watch porn, drink/do drugs/party, develop unhealthy attitudes toward women, get consumed by fetishes like AGP; there have been multiple incidents of mass murder where sexual frustration is cited by the perpetrator.

TL;dr porn obsession is a symptom of unhealthy, untrue attitudes toward sexuality, not the cause.

[–]usehername 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

The toxicity of the porn industry doesn't necessarily mean that consumption of any kind of erotica is inherently bad for human beings.

https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articles-about-the-studies/

[–]Preachy_Jerk 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Yeah, that doesn't contradict what I said, any more than My 600-Pound Life demonstrates the benefits of anorexia.

[–]usehername 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

If you actually read the research, you'd see that even mild/moderate amounts of porn use have adverse effects.

[–]Preachy_Jerk 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

What exactly is your thesis? That any sexual stimuli outside narrow bounds (which?) is bad for people? Does the dong on the statue of David count? And you're certain, from controlled studies, that it's a causative relationship?

Please, show me your best evidence.

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Well they haven't done any studies on the effects of David's dong, but I'll let you know right away when they do. Pornography use has been shown to be harmful to the brain. Too much sexual activity has a similar effect. This is explained in the research.

And you're certain, from controlled studies, that it's a causative relationship?

I linked the studies.

porn obsession is a symptom of unhealthy, untrue attitudes toward sexuality, not the cause

The research I just provided shows that porn does cause unhealthy and untrue attitudes towards sexuality. I never said it isn't also a symptom, but it's a self-perpetuating cycle.

If you are genuinely interested, I suggest you read the massive collection of research I linked. I have gone through all of it.

[–]Preachy_Jerk 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Ok, so instead of you stating your position in a precise way (not "pornography use has been shown to be harmful to the brain") and providing evidence for it, I have to guess what it is and read eighty studies to find the evidence myself.

That's not how you prove a point, but have a nice day.

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Porn use (and sex addiction) causes hypofrontality (weakened willpower + hyper-reactivity to cues due to a dysfunctional prefrontal cortex). This is the most serious effect but there are others such as a dysfunctional stress system, desensitization, and decreased respect towards people you find sexually attractive and increased objectification of such people. Feel free to click the link, hit crtl+f, and type in any keywords to search for specific studies. If you were really interested, you'd just read it, but maybe that's too hard for you. Seems like you just want to argue for fun.

[–]Preachy_Jerk 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

I was hoping you were going to define "porn" and "use", at least, but I guess I was expecting too much from someone who actually thought the life expectancy of gay porn performers is 25 because a gay blog said it "seems" that way.

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Do you really not know what "porn" or "porn use" are? The studies I linked (I see you still haven't bothered to read them) cover different kinds of porn from videos to magazines. They also cover masturbating to porn and simply watching without masturbating. Also I admit I was a little hasty on that life expectancy number there. On further investigation I could only find this: http://danielrjennings.org/TheAverageLifeExpectancyOfAPornStar.html Where the sample size is quite small. I can't find any more studies on the subject. Seems like someone doesn't want people to know. Porn is a huge industry that makes a ton of money. I still think that porn stars are more likely to die younger than the general population but I can't back that up other than the massive amounts of porn stars who die young.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah but preachy jerk drew a distinction between porn and other forms of erotica, and has repeated that many times. Even going so far as to ask you to define "porn" because it seems like to you, all erotica shouldn't be consumed, even if it isn't pornographic in nature. Are you saying that all forms of erotica are bad the same way porn is bad?

[–]usehername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Please clarify non-pornographic erotica. Like an erotic novel? To my knowledge, there hasn't been a study that showed that erotic novels have negative effects on people's brains/attitudes, so I don't know if it's bad but I don't consume them either way. However, porn videos, pornographic still images, and softcore still images of women like in Playboy magazines and the like (even when they aren't naked) are shown to have negative effects on cognitive function and attitudes towards women. There has not been a lot of research into gay porn/images of men, but I'd imagine there's a similar effect.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes. Erotic novels, audio recordings (things like moans only for example), certain kinds of art, etc, I consider to be non pornographic erotica.

I agree with your other points. And I'm pretty sure preachy does too (hence the distinction drawn between porn and other erotica initially). I was just confused as to why you kept saying 'porn is bad' essentially when, from where I was looking, you and preachy both agreed on that.

Preachy says porn is bad but that doesn't mean other forms of erotica are bad. You then say porn is bad. Preachy says that doesn't contradict what was said initially (the distinction between porn and other forms of sexual stimuli). You say porn is bad again. This continues with you repeating that porn is bad (which you both agree on). Reading through all of that left me thinking 'maybe she has some info on all sexual stimuli being bad, porn or otherwise.' So I asked out of confusion.

[–]usehername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He says:

porn obsession is a symptom of unhealthy, untrue attitudes toward sexuality, not the cause.

It is a symptom, but is also a cause, especially for younger people. I think me and him weren't on the same page for that argument, but that was my point.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree I don’t think erotica is bad, in fact I think it could be a good thing. Erotic literature and art especially. But there’s something about video porn that accompanies sexual dysfunction where other erotica doesn’t. I’m not sure why, but the correlation is there.

And I always assumed the straight guys who do gay porn are similar to closeted gay men who have sex with women, like the physical capability is there, but the desire and pleasure isnt. I am absolutely not at all an expert on male arousal though lol, or closeted bisexuality in men for that matter, so I could have no idea what I’m talking about lmfao