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[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think that's changed - what is now thought of as gender critical in the US is not any really defined ideology, and thus has become very big tent and includes gay men and gay-supporting conservatives.

Many people now referred to as gender critical by the gender lobby are not the gender critical or radical feminists of old, instead they are just normal people who are OK with men wearing dresses, etc., but believe what I have stated in other posts on this thread.

GC people are not at the genderists' throats per se. We just believe that their rights end where women/gay men/parents/scientists/children's rights begin.

We want ourselves respected and our rights maintained, but wish the genderists the best in their fight for rights, safety and freedom.

And please, anyone - name one GC person who has gone after a trans activist's job? Who has issued a death or rape threat to a trans activist? It doesn't happen.

But yes, there is no pie in terms of women sharing what little we have with men claiming to be women.

By claiming that they can identify into women's oppression, transgender identified males imply that women can identify out of our oppression. We cannot.

Gender people can simply change their appearance and their oppression disappears, women cannot.

From the ages of between approx. 12-50 most women can be forced to reproduce. For our entire existence, except since the advent of the pill and abortion a mere 50-60 or so years ago, women have been kept in an almost constant state of pregnancy during those years.

My grandmother, who wasn't legally allowed to vote until her late 20s, and not because of her pronouns, was one of 14 children - that was extremely common then. Her mother was pregnant or taking care of an infant for decades.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of what women have had to put up with for human's entire history and before.

But even me - before Title IX I was not allowed to take Shop, because it was for boys. Girls had to take Home Economics to learn how to be housewives.

Even had my grandmother and I declared ourselves transmen, or changed our pronouns, our oppression would not have been lifted. We were not oppressed because of our identity, but because we were/are women.

And i would love someone who supports trans demands to explain the difference between trans-racialism and trans-genderism and why one is feted and the other one shunned. Go ahead, I have time...

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I think that's changed - what is now thought of as gender critical in the US is not any really defined ideology, and thus has become very big tent and includes gay men and gay-supporting conservatives.

If that's the case, then maybe sign me up. I appreciate the work you're doing to try and change the perception. Just as how there are some reasonable trans people out there, but we all tend to pay attention to the bad actors, I think is the same case here. Groups get judged by their perceived extremists, and I do see those sorts of people or thoughts banging around in places I'd consider to be largely GC.

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I myself am not trying to change the perception: I feel that the perception of what trans activists consider "gender critical," and what people who are now sort of considering themselves "gender critical" (although many wouldn't know that term, much less use it) has changed from its rad fem origins, and I'm just trying to explain the changes.