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[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I can appreciate that. You’re a better person than me.

I don't know about that, I might just have more energy for it :) these conversations can be insanely exhausting. And they're often with people who refuse to consider evidence that threatens their beliefs. I like to remind myself: I'm arguing to convince the lurkers, never to convince the person I'm arguing with. I used to be a lurker for years before I finally felt compelled to start participating via asking questions. Plenty of people read and watch and take something valuable out of an otherwise seemingly useless discussion.

It's like an ideological version of “I, Spy” and it’s exhausting. Especially when discussing things with friends irl as you simply cannot take the time to go through their references and more often than not they can’t even find them on google. It’s all just so exhausting.

EXACTLY. You've nailed the description of it. For in-person convos, I hope to make a shortlist of resources and links at the ready.

[–]insta 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

For in-person convos, I hope to make a shortlist of resources and links at the ready.

For me, I just try to give them some perspective on the issue. I try to use myself as an example of "Hey, this issue isn't black and white. It's not hate vs love. It's not good vs evil. It's more complicated". People think if you're against these issues you're some basement dwelling troll who is just so full of hate. When in reality we have perfectly reasonable objections.

It's good for people to have someone think "Oh well, /u/insta believes these things and he doesn't want to go around putting trans people on the cross so I think you're being a little dramatic". It's powerful for people to know that they're not insane if they don't fully agree to this. They're not hateful. They're not a nazi. It's good people have examples of this so we're not all cowering in fear.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Completely agree. I'll keep that in mind as well. :)