LGB NewsPeer-reviewed research article: Among 139 boys formally diagnosed with gender dysphoria, 88% total desisted, and 64% total were either bisexual or gay.

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[–]emptiedriver 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

However, for the most part I think public discourse is informed by a handful of empty talking points that people just repeat back to each other to sound like they didn't come to their decision emotionally.

But where do the emotions come from - I think a lot of people have very general and therefore malleable emotions, and will be convincible based on how something is framed. A bunch of people may want to do what's fair and good and allow everyone to love who they love, right? If trans rights are seen as another aspect of that, and people against it are seen through a lens of oppressors who are trying to stop trans people from living their happy lives, then emotionally they will want to support Trans Rights! and when the Bad Guys say anything they are presumed to be making it up or skewing statistics or otherwise just lying. But if enough information comes out to show that the view the "Bad Guys" were trying to communicate was actually sensible and irrefutable, and really, to support love and fight oppression you have to fight Big Pharma and not support trans... then the whole perspective has to shift. And people go through that kind of mental switch all the time. Sure, it's all emotional, and people don't do a lot of rational comparison to reach conclusions, but they can switch paradigms.

And I'd think studies like this can make people peak, bc the orthodoxy is that the percentage of detransitioners is incredibly small, a few percent or something, and that those who do are forced into it due to peer pressure and are less happy than they would be if they had been allowed to remain trans. I never looked into it that far since I was mostly concerned with the issue that even after transition you're still the same sex, but, these numbers are way different from what I've heard people claim. So I'd have to think it would be harder to ignore the contradiction.

[–]insta 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But where do the emotions come from

I’d argue the majority of them come from cultural influence and/or peer pressure. I think Jordan Peterson is correct in his overtones of “You would’ve been a concentration camp guard and you would’ve been okay with it”. I think people’s ethics and what they’re willing to live with are extremely malleable. I think COVID-19 restrictions are also a good example of this. People will live with things simply to get along.

when the Bad Guys say anything they are presumed to be making it up or skewing statistics or otherwise just lying.

This will happen no matter what. This happens frequently with the wage gap and with the whole 13/50 argument. The majority of people don’t care about studies or statistics and will just dismiss them outright with some talking point.

the "Bad Guys" were trying to communicate was actually sensible and irrefutable

I don’t think that will never happen without cultural or social power. The studies around children’s hormone blockers is murky at best yet there are powerful political segments that are willing to go full steam ahead with risking children’s health and future. The studies & reality don’t matter.

And I'd think studies like this can make people peak,

I think men competing in women’s sports makes more people peak. I think cultural issues like that are far more impactful than some random study nobody will ever read or know about.