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[–]exponent2 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Reply . It would be worse. Lesbians seem really clueless because theyre engulfed with and squandered all their time investing in "womanhood", not understanding how reality and politics work since theyre so obnoxiously insular. And they genuinely have no sense of culture or worldly perspective to see how an actual patriarchy works. Theyre too self centered. They seriously think gay males, you know "traitors" to the patriarchy for being homosexuals, somehow benefit from it. In all countries with true, authentic patriarchies, gay men are executed for being abominations and lesbians are just left alone as mere curiosities or theories. Lesbians put all their energy into thinking liberating themselves from heterosexual men would mean they would be free...and assumed heterosexual women wouldnt oppress them? They just keep forgetting theyre homosexuals and for 2000 years, heterosexuals have been trying to commit genocide against all homosexuals.

I already posted this before and i dont want to type it all out again but it's a back and forth i had with a lesbian on here so it's not fully within context of the question but here it is and it reveals how naive lesbians are with what a matriarchy would look like.

my not so very nice comment and back and forth with a lesbian on here:

"One thing lesbians wont tell you is how they basically destroyed the gay community with their narcssism. They always chose "womanhood" over their homosexuality and always tried to leave gay men behind...and when that didnt work, they "lost their place" and squandered all their efforts and never really took part in building up the gay community. So they project this on to gay men...but gay men couldnt build a "manly man paradise" with the straight men since they were the ones murdering us.

So the lesbians came crawling back to their "homosexual identity" begrudgingly since the straight and bisexual women wouldnt stop laughing at them behind their backs and betraying them for "men" and ruining their perfect little lesbian utopia.

Stonewall UK and multiple gay lobby groups were exclusively run by gay men. The lesbians werent kept out..they honestly just werent successful enough to run them. It took lots of money, networking and power and the gay lobby just represented homosexual interests. The lesbians came in (by doing exactly what transbians did) and used intersectional feminism to call everyone a racist, invaded the Stonewall UK gay group and formed coalitions with a bunch of people to betray gay people.THIS is the origin story of the transexual disaster. Now that these idiots invaded stonewall, guess what happened? The black lesbians betrayed the white lesbians and kicked them out...then their intersecitonal "whoever is the biggest victim gets all the money and attention" went to the black lesbians (you know, because black gay men arent the biggest victims of homophobia)...and then our community was no longer about gay and lesbian success, prosperity and power. It was about whomever whines the most gets the most attention. And guess what? The biggest winner in that case is the biggest liar so our emperor of the gays and lesbians was a black, transexual, 2 legged, wheel chair bound straight man who "identifies" as a lesbian lol. THIS is the origin story of how these people hijacked our movement.

So dont listen to these "radical feminist" types. Again, theyre mostly a useless joke.

[–]reluctant_commenter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Lesbians seem really clueless because theyre engulfed with and squandered all their time investing in "womanhood", not understanding how reality and politics work since theyre so obnoxiously insular.

Dude. These are ridiculous and broad generalizations. Not all of us are like that. I don't give a fuck about my "womanhood".

And they genuinely have no sense of culture or worldly perspective to see how an actual patriarchy works. Theyre too self centered.

Are you talking about specifically lesbians from the US...? If so, then yes maybe some of them act like that, but there are lesbians who live in countries where there are, in fact, patriarchies.

It sounds more like you are talking about radical feminism as opposed to just female homosexuality. But a bunch of the radical feminists who say they are lesbian think that female homosexuality is "an open-minded choice" which is total bullshit. They tried to speak for us the same way that trans rights activists are trying to speak for us now.

So dont listen to these "radical feminist" types. Again, theyre mostly a useless joke.

The original question said nothing about radical feminists, it was about lesbians. It's not fair to say "female homosexuality = radfems." What if I told you, "All gay men are just men's rights activists who hate lesbians?" That would be equally dumb.

[–]exponent2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Listen. This conversation WILL be had. No one is going to run from this. And i told you i merely just took 2 very long comments i had as an argument with a lesbian on here and pasted them on here. So dont be dishonest in your critique. I mentioned radical feminism before to that specific commenter but the nature of my critique still stands for all western lesbians who benefitted from western gay activism but think womanhood will somehow liberate them. These generalizations are...generalizations because theyre....general patterns. And lesbians in non western countries shouldnt imitate them and ruin their lives following their lead.

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Listen. This conversation WILL be had. No one is going to run from this.

Lmao, what does that even mean? I'm literally talking with you right now. If I wanted to leave, I could quite easily, but you have no right to order people around.

So dont be dishonest in your critique.

Where do you think I was dishonest? Quote the part that I said that was dishonest, and if what I said was inaccurate, I'll fix it. Do you think it's dishonest to say, "Not all lesbians are radical feminists"? I am lesbian and I am not a radical feminist-- in fact, I am generally against radical feminism, and sometimes I get shit for it on this sub.

Also OP made a new thread, so it would probably make more sense to continue the conversation there.

edit: Look, if you want to format a quote, you would use the ">" sign at the beginning of the line you're quoting. So for example, if you said "So dont listen to these "radical feminist" types. Again, theyre mostly a useless joke." it would look like:

So dont listen to these "radical feminist" types. Again, theyre mostly a useless joke.

I take it that this line was originally from your comment to someone else that you were talking to. That wasn't immediately obvious from your comment. I am not being dishonest; it was unclear how much of that comment was about this post as opposed to another one.

I still stand by my statement that most of the "lesbians" you're making broad generalizations about are actually the so-called "political lesbians" of radical feminism. Those people are homophobic towards lesbians as well as gay men, and I agree, they're an issue.