LGB ErasureFrom a criminal act and a sin to transphobia and bigotry - the history of same-sex attraction

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[–]exponent2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sorry. I just have this tendency to assume everyone is around my age which is pretty stupid. I never bothered to look up resources. It's just the news articles i would read on the internet everytime a gay rights organization had to fight dehumanization against the catholic church, especially during the gay rights debate. And this is what i was worried about. I mean, talking to you is pretty shocking, like we're in some sort of anime where i speak of "the before times". No one really said it because it seemed too crazy to happen but gays and lesbians considered a possibility that gay children might grow up without having a sense of entitlement to their own community and all the other letters were just guests there. When you have heterosexual girl children on the internet now "lecturing" gays/lesbians and trying to "put them in their place", we just dismissed them as psychotic and crazy exceptions. But i just recoil in disgust thinking younger gays/lesbians dont feel a sense of entitlement to their own community which is bequeathed to them by older generations. We donate money, sacrifice some of our social leverage to make sure gay/lesbian people who are younger dont have to suffer the indignity of having to bow down to homophobia and smile. Our "revenge" was the success of younger gay kids.

When you speak to me...as if you're speaking of "the before times"...thats just completely normal to us. So to ask for documentation is weird since it was just everyday news and it's too awkward for books or documentaries to mention: "it's us and always has been us and everyone else is a shitty little guest". Just watch documentaries on gay rights. And this isnt even from long ago. we're not talking about the 1970's but the year 2010.

Most of the other letter's movements have to to exaggerate their involvement in gay/lesbian history and mostly just flat out lie, especially on tumblr and why? To legitimize themselves and then pretend they were there all along when they werent or were so insignificant and useless they were most likely a burden, like that homeless crackhead marsha p johnson. or honestly, brenda howard. Bisexual activists just made that up: "she created pride! it was her!"....like, what in the fuck of christ? She invited gays and lesbians worldwide to go on their marches to have things thrown at them, to lose their jobs or sacrifice their dignity by enduring the humiliation of homophobia...she invited them to their own pride marches? lol do you know how little sense that makes? It's as ridiculous as saying the janitor who sweeps the floors helped Einstein discover that e=mc2 because without clean floors, einstein could never do his work so the janitor helped. I mean, the level of pettiness and desperation shows how they know they did nothing when you point to one person with one incredibly stupid thing thats beyond useless and basically a lie. The historical revisionism should be a tell for you.

And as for the trans thing, they didnt "take over". Gays and lesbians pushed themselves out like idiots because of "intersectional oppression". Whomever makes up the worst victim story gets the most attention which was beyond fucking stupid because it meant we're not a community, we're just a pit stop for everyone to extract resources from us.

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry. I just have this tendency to assume everyone is around my age which is pretty stupid.

That's all right. :) The generational differences in experience among LGB people are pretty fascinating, sometimes it makes communication more difficult but it's the internet, easy to misunderstand people anyway.

It's just the news articles i would read on the internet everytime a gay rights organization had to fight dehumanization against the catholic church, especially during the gay rights debate.

Funny you mention the Catholic church. I grew up in a family that was Catholic, quite homophobic (although not as bad as some accounts I've read), and they did speak in a dehumanizing way about being same-sex-attracted. But see, I am trying to work through all that crap on my own, but whenever I have tried to talk to "LGBTQ+" people my age, they seem to think that that kind of homophobia is eradicated and not a problem anymore, and that we're in some kind of post-homophobia world. Lol.

I mean, talking to you is pretty shocking, like we're in some sort of anime where i speak of "the before times".

I bet. Even to me, this whole situation we're in right now with transgender ideology feels insane.

No one really said it because it seemed too crazy to happen but gays and lesbians considered a possibility that gay children might grow up without having a sense of entitlement to their own community and all the other letters were just guests there. When you have heterosexual girl children on the internet now "lecturing" gays/lesbians and trying to "put them in their place", we just dismissed them as psychotic and crazy exceptions.

Gotcha, that makes sense. I can understand how people might have been focused so much on more openly "hostile" forms of homophobia (e.g. from the Catholic church) that they never considered what might happen afterwards. I mean, homophobia didn't disappear just because gay marriage was legalized. Even though most of my "progressive" acquaintance seem to believe otherwise, lol.

We donate money, sacrifice some of our social leverage to make sure gay/lesbian people who are younger dont have to suffer the indignity of having to bow down to homophobia and smile. Our "revenge" was the success of younger gay kids.

That makes perfect sense, and I appreciate that. Unfortunately I do think that my generation may have to do this too, the same as yours has-- thanks to transgender ideology. My mentality and attitude is: many straight people are wary of "LGBTQ+" people, often because of aggressive pronoun policing and character assassinations encouraged by activists in the transgender movement, so in real life, I have to be the best ambassador for my community that I can be. Wear that smile, make it clear that I'm not going to jump down people's throats for asking "politically incorrect questions" or for having issues with the "LGBTQ+" community, and that I just want to be treated equally.

Just watch documentaries on gay rights. And this isnt even from long ago. we're not talking about the 1970's but the year 2010.

Will take a look, thanks.

And as for the trans thing, they didnt "take over". Gays and lesbians pushed themselves out like idiots because of "intersectional oppression". Whomever makes up the worst victim story gets the most attention which was beyond fucking stupid because it meant we're not a community, we're just a pit stop for everyone to extract resources from us.

That's really interesting you mention the "intersectionality" stuff as being a cause. I have heard of a similar parallel of frustration with intersectionality when it comes to racial discrimination, as well. I know you said you didn't have news articles, but I'll keep an eye out for that theme.

Thanks for taking the time to talk. You've gotta understand lol, I realized my same-sex attraction among a group of far-left people who all call each other "queer" and believe that sexual orientation is a choice (a moral choice where "queer" is the best answer)-- these are teens and 20 year olds I'm talking, this is literally what almost all my acquaintance who are my age, believe. I have met way more trans people than I ever have LGB people. It sucks.