I thought up terms of such as TIBs(Trans Inclusive Bisexuals) who date...everyone and TEBs(Trans Exclusive Bisexuals), bisexuals who exclusively date ONLY transsexuals.

Sure, why not? We're looking at real, distinct phenomena. It just becomes a semantic pain in the ass. Scientist me says have a word for every taxon. Societal me says lump 'em together if they have a significant experiential overlap receiving social disapprobation in the public sphere of life. Then I remember the trans activists being a right pain in the ass, and how some people are incapable of respecting boundaries even when they've got a few things in common.

Most bisexuals aren't attracted to transexuals, it's just a small few. It's pretty much a preference or even a fetish...

Are they bisexual-identified because they're into transsexuals? This is what I've seen. Usually heterosexual and gyneandromorphophilic men (they don't like cis men.) They say: well, I like women with vulvas. And I like women with penises. Women have vulvas. Men have penises. Thus, I must be bisexual! Or, at least they realize that they're not exclusively heterosexual, and thus you get a bisexual identification out of that.

A prolific participant here made note that in the case of bisexual men, it does not matter that they like women and they like men. In the eyes of society, it's the fact that if they like penises, just even in the slightest, then they must be gay. This is the landscape.

So, I revisited this mostly-dead thread today, kinda hoping /u/reluctant_commenter would have something for me (maybe this re-framing will help,) and I also have had some time to think about it since. I'm a bit perturbed that no one has pointed out how there isn't a consensus, and how that could be a problem. Do you really want to take on some paraphilias under LGB? T, in the case of AGP is a paraphilia. In some sense, paraphiles have already snuck in the back door. Also under "asexuality" as well--some asexual-identified people are exclusive paraphiles (who correctly surmise that since they are not interested in the sine qua non act of sex that they are different that het/homo/bisexuals, subsequently the asexual identification.) Gyneandromorphophilia is technically a paraphilia. Lots of people here are saying that's bisexual. Some dissent, but nobody's talking about that.

I'm not of the mindset that if somebody's sexuality is atypical, that they should be sent to the gulag. That's absurd. I firmly maintain that sexual interests are not volitional. It's just a question of whether or not they belong in LGB, or their own movement. T has bolted itself onto LGB successfully because of the overlap the two groups have, which is to say, something to do with sex, sexuality and discrimination. Weaponized empathy?

I made the point above that some paraphilic sexuality is going to look like bisexuality from the outside, and these people will be understood by laypersons to be bisexual, because they know het, homo, and bi, and that's it. People taking on partners of both sexes, because their sexuality is comprised predominantly by a paraphilia, such as sadomasochism, and they are thus less or not at all concerned with the sex of their partners. I say "not at all" in the same way you say "exclusive." Paraphiles must be understood on a spectrum, where as they exist between just a little paraphilic to exclusively paraphilic. Consequently these sorts of people are subject in the public sphere of their life to the same or similar prejudices as run-of-the-mill LGB folk. If two men go out to a romantic dinner together, what difference does it make if they're going to have sex later that night or flog each other instead?

Another way to frame this question is: would a man, who's only into trans women, who rejects trans ideology and understands they are gyneandromorphophilic, who's partner rejects trans ideology, and who realizes that they are Homosexual Transsexual, which is a mental disorder sometimes successfully treated via transitioning--would these people be welcome here? E.g. Joey and Blaire.

What exactly, is the outcome of the proclamations here that Joey is bisexual? Is it ignorance of paraphilias? It it the insistence of seeing the world as only gay, straight, or bisexual? The "how" matters, just as much as the "who," to really understand things. But is our society really concerned with the "how," or just the "who?" Is what happens in the bedroom irrelevant for LGB? Or is it who you're sitting down at dinner with, for all the world to see?

Am I weaponizing your empathy?