LGB VictoryAlabama passes state law to make child-transing (giving a child puberty blockers, hormones to "transition", etc.) a *felony*

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[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Yes, the concern is that this is going to be immediately reversed when the woke crowd gets into power because it'll be seen as having the taint of being driven by the hardcore religious right, instead of what it should have been: a bipartisan push against reality denialism and homophobia.

[–]emptiedriver 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

yeah, not a victory in my eyes - just pushing things further into us vs them. This makes it look like any concerns about the trans issue are confirmed as part of the uneducated christian right. It also shows makes it seem like the attitude is not compassionate or open to figuring out an answer but simply an excuse to punish anyone who's different. Requiring a minimum age of 18, or having malpractice laws, would make sense to me but making it a felony sounds like they're going to send in a squad of police to a doctor's office and then throw you in prison. Maybe it's just the way it's worded - does it just mean they are requiring it by state law?

Anyway, I hope there can be some moderate or progressive politicians to see the other side of this issue before it is completely split as an untouchable, which party are you, position. We have too many of those already.

Sometimes I think we have to just rewrite the constitution to have a parliament democracy, so we have multiple parties. This two party thing is not good for anyone.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's the same thing as always; conservatives are their own worst enemies for creating policy. It's anti-abortion activism playing out all over again; if they really wanted to reduce abortion rates, they wouldn't demonize sexual education and the use of contraceptives, but instead bible thumping states only promote abstinence and end up with higher abortion rates than places that have comprehensive sex-ed and are relatively supportive of abortion. The hostile way in which this is enacted, rather than it being a reform of medical standards, ensures that the trans movement will have ammunition to call gender critical voices supporter of hardcore, right-wing religionists. What we really need are progressive politicians who don't buy into the gender identity movement, but unfortunately that's instant death for a Democrat, apparently.

The big problem is in the election system. The USA uses a system called plurality voting which is known to break down to 2 party voting the longer it's in place, and results in polar opposites of opinion with little reason to cooperate on issues. Canada is in the same position, it uses plurality voting and is dominated by two major parties, with a handful of largely irrelevant smaller parties that can't muster power or a voice: https://www.rangevoting.org/Plurality.html

Reforming our political system or a system like score voting would easily allow us to make consistently better selections on who gets elected, but the problem is the major parties in power have little reason to go with such a thing, so good luck getting reform to happen. :(

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's because they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want people to just never have sex unless it's with their spouce of the opposite sex with the intent of having a child. But laws and policies can't be made around an ideal. If things were ideal, we'd need no laws because no one would do things that we'd want to outlaw. Laws need to be made with reality in mind and the reality is that people will have sex. The outcomes you can choose from are: 1) people are well informed and use proper contraceptives, the best choice becasue it is the cheapest, requires the least medical intervention, and stops STIs too. 2) people get abortions every time they get accidentally pregnant, not ideal but still better than 3. 3) people are having children like crazy, a lot of them end up dying and/or people are constantly living in poverty, disease runs rampant and societal, technological, and scientific advancement are stunted.

But people act like there's a magical 4th option where everyone just has religious ideals and follows them to the letter (when told to by their pastor) and no one ever has sex until trying to have kids. These people should never be in charge of policy making because they make objectively stupid policies with objectively stupid thought processes.

[–]Seahorse 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly.

We don't need to take bread crumbs from people like religious conservatives, places like Sweden and UK are already backtracking to a certain extent and I wouldn't consider either of those countries to be right winged at all.

America is a funny place, Kentucky in any other country would be a left voting state (Due to its enormous poverty line issues) but in America they constantly vote against their own interests. Fascinating because I am not there I suppose lol.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, the concern is that this is going to be immediately reversed when the woke crowd gets into power

Reversed by who? It's a state law, and Alabama is pretty conservative. I'm sure there will be some far-left pushback, but it's pretty entrenched at the moment...

I would love for a bipartisan push for reality, and I think that may be what'll end up happening eventually. But I wouldn't say this is loss necessarily, just because the right thing didn't happen in the most ideal way.