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[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I can see why so many Americans don’t vote. Both parties are compromised. Both are scared of saying no to TRAs.

[–]usehername 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

When we do, we get bitched out when the one we voted for sucks. I knew he would, I just thought he was better than the other guy.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I hate it when people say "if you don’t vote you don’t have a right to complain". I used to have this mentality until recently, when I learned a harsh lesson about democracy. What is the point in voting when all of the candidates suck? Okay, maybe you can just vote in the primaries that are held months ahead of the vote to ensure that a good politician gets nominated as the candidate by the party. But if shitty candidates get nominated by all of the major parties, then there is simply no point in turning up on Election Day. Especially when the legacy media and the missing link media pick and choose which candidates get the spotlight, allowing them to rig the primaries. Let’s not forget that, in America, third parties are either ignored or are complete jokes. But I hear so many American boomers dismiss these concerns by saying that you should just buck up if you didn’t vote, as if voting would fix the system. It won’t.

In Ireland, we don’t have primaries. Instead, you can just register to run for a local, a European or a parliamentary election as either a political party member or as an independent. We have multiseat constituencies, so there’s no limit to how many candidates a party can run in one constituency. We also use a complicated voting system called Single Transfer Vote, or STV. You rank the candidates on the voting card in order of preference. There is a quota that each candidate needs to reach in terms of votes he or she has one in order to get elected, and a recount is done until all seats in the constituency has been filled, or until no counts can be done, in which case the candidates with the most votes win. In a recount, the candidate with the least amount of votes gets eliminated, and the next preferences of those who voted for him will be transferred to the remaining candidates in the next count. Sounds like a better system than America’s? Not really. Because the Irish media can still ignore and deny coverage to minor political parties that they don’t like to prevent these parties from winning a seat in the election. Many Irish people vote for parties based on who their parents voted for without even looking at the candidate's policies. Politicians lie and shamelessly break promises. The media covers the asses of corrupt politicians. And because of our voting system, an unpopular candidate can still get elected if he runs in a 5-seat constituency against candidates from minor or unheard of parties or other unpopular candidates. I voted in the 2016 and 2020 elections. It looks like I won’t be voting again.

EDIT: all of the major political parties in Ireland are woke. The only parties that are against woke culture are Aontú, the National Party, the Irish Freedom Party, Renua Ireland and Anti-Corruption Ireland. They all ran candidates in the last election, and only one of them got elected - because he was already in our parliament and formed a new party after being expelled from one of the major parties.

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

But I hear so many American boomers dismiss these concerns by saying that you should just buck up if you didn’t vote, as if voting would fix the system. It won’t.

Accurate.

Okay, maybe you can just vote in the primaries that are held months ahead of the vote to ensure that a good politician gets nominated as the candidate by the party.

I just became old enough to vote, and did vote in the primaries, but my candidate didn't have as much funding as the others and lost. Obviously, Biden won. He's extremely well funded, and has donors in the healthcare industry, especially pharmaceuticals (clear link with trans). If you don't know about the Citizens United court case, I encourage you to watch this six-minute video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz7xJn8X8fE

Basically, corporations can donate infinite amounts of money to political campaigns through a loophole.

Politicians lie and shamelessly break promises.

Same in the U.S.

Because the Irish media can still ignore and deny coverage to minor political parties that they don’t like to prevent these parties from winning a seat in the election.

By what mechanism? Do parties pay for their own ads, and can't always afford it? Do certain broadcasters refuse to run ads for certain parties? Are political ads not a big part of Irish politics (they're huge in the U.S., can't escape 'em)? Does the news refuse to cover certain parties because they're paid by larger parties?

How big of a factor is money in Irish elections?

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Much like in America, we have lobbyists in Ireland in the forms of corporations, trade unions and NGOs. That is how the news is able to pretend that smaller parties don’t exist. Furthermore, most of the Irish media is controlled by the government, so the dominant parties can use the media to cheat in elections.

[–]usehername 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Very similar except state-run media? What a fucking crock. I understand them having a station, but controlling most of the media? The situation sounds worse than I thought.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And most of the independent media is run by this man called Denis O'Brien. Who loves suing people.

[–]usehername 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Didn't he sell?