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[–]8bitgay 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The genderbread is more reasonable than the average TRA nowadays though.

At least the genderbread puts gender identity and gender expression as two separate things - unlike TRAs who keep implying that the way you dress is your gender.

In "attracted to", the genderbread has Male/Female as one of the alternatives, while to the average TRA it's completely transphobic to relate attraction with biological sex.

At any rate, these definitions of gender are so vague we might as well all be non-binary. I guess most of us here don't fit society's most rigid views of gender roles. And frankly sometimes I think we should start saying we are non-binary. I think TRAs often act like those who disagree with them are some mythical cis figures that fully conform to 50s gender roles. I wonder how they'd react having to argue with "non-binary" people.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I guess most of us here don't fit society's most rigid views of gender roles.

Gays and lesbians as adults do tend to have a mild amount of gender nonconformity vs their heterosexual peers, yes. But that's not to say there isn't variability in straight people, either, because there's tons of it.

The things that actually comprise gender, not gender-identity in trans nomenclature, are linked to sex, and they are distributed around sex. Such that you can get a man who is higher in big five trait agreeableness than the average woman, but that is uncommon.

Why we have to make up a bunch of new labels for phenomena that have existed for ages... it's look-at-me-ism.

[–]8bitgay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gays and lesbians as adults do tend to have a mild amount of gender nonconformity vs their heterosexual peers, yes. But that's not to say there isn't variability in straight people, either, because there's tons of it.

That's part of my point! It isn't just us LGB, many (or maybe most?) straight people out there also don't fit these rigid gender roles. It isn't easy to fit ideals.

[–]Finnegan7921 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah i noticed that genderbread doesn't allow for the girldick since according to him, you are male but "identify" as female whereas TRA's claim hat they were always the other sex. Genderbread is gonna have to shape up and get in on the correct groupthink real quick before he/she/they/them/it/ gets cancelled.

[–]8bitgay 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you check genderbread on google you can see there were multiple iterations because they're always trying to outwoke it. Separating sexual and romantic attraction is a new one for example. The original version only had sliders from male to female too.

Here is a version of the genderbread I found that would be more in conformity with this sub views.