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[–]Constantine 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

This is interesting and mostly just confirms my suspicions. Thanks for sharing. I didn’t know what the tulpa thing was and kind of wish I still didn’t.

As someone officially diagnosed with ASD, I did want to touch on some of the comments that are popping up here/add some more perspective:

1) I think that u/lovelyspearmint is correct that there’s likely a fair amount of erroneous self-diagnosis going on in the Reddit ASD community. This is something that really frustrates me, but at the same time I kind of have to understand because so many women in particular find it difficult to get an official diagnosis/be taken seriously by the medical community. At the same time, there are a lot of Zoomers who just want to be “special” for whatever reason, and saying they’re trans and/or have ASD both serve that purpose.

2) That said, I think that the evidence indicates that there’s definitely something going on. I forget which study, but it was done in the UK and showed that trans-identifying individuals are more likely to have diagnosed ASD at a frankly alarming rate. Add in the fact that scores of young women on the spectrum likely aren’t actually diagnosed, and the real number is no doubt higher.

3) Now on to potential reasons for this: I think that u/RedEyedWarrior has it partially correct that people on the spectrum tend to be more “gullible,” but the question remains as to why, especially when a fair portion of people with ASD are actually very critical of this ideology like myself. I’m involved with the Reddit ASD community, and whenever this topic comes up, it gets super heated with half the people saying derogatory things about trans people and the other half calling those people Nazis. It’s a real clusterf*ck.

I think this divide is a clash between a few different symptoms of ASD: our propensity for being skeptical of the common view/not caving to social pressure, and our serious mind/body disconnect that tends to make us clumsy/cause sensory issues/issues with sex and sexuality. This plays into the DID/multiple personalities stuff. Those diagnoses amount to psychological bunk, but they do, like transgender ideology, serve to explain away these difficulties in a more straightforward and accessible way than an ASD diagnosis. With ASD, we’re just kind of stuck with these problems. Sure, we can work on them, but that’s really hard work, and we’re never going to be “normal.” These other “conditions” offer a framework for understanding ourselves that puts the onus on others, and on medical interventions, not on ourselves, and may offer some (false) hope for normalcy.

So, our propensity for skepticism ends up clashing with our overwhelming desire to fit in somewhere. Which one wins out depends on the person and their mental state, I suppose. I myself experienced severe gender dysphoria for some time growing up, but realized that was related to ASD, no inherent gender identity (because there is no such thing). If someone had offered me hormones to fix it at thirteen, I would’ve taken them in a second. I’m glad I made it to adulthood/a better place mentally before the world went nuts.

I’m not sure what I hoped to accomplish with this wall of text, but I hope someone finds it interesting. I’m happy to answer any questions if anyone has any.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I only got my diagnosis as an adult, and even then, it was a process and a half to get it due to cost, time, etc. But being aware of my neurodiversity has allowed me to critically analyse my behaviour, my 'tomboyishness', if one can call it, and understand that most of the way that I sit, what I wear, what I do with my hair, is not because I'm of the opposite gender but because of convenience and comfort. For example, I wear men's shorts because they've got deeper pockets, same goes for jackets. Men's underwear is simply more practical, usually softer and suits me better than women's. That doesn't mean I gotta go off and chop off my tatas to be socially acceptable.

[–]Constantine 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes to all of this! We should be telling these kids that it's okay to be themselves, and they don't have to go through medical procedures to present how they see fit.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Of course, no problem and thanks for reading!

I think your 1st and 2nd points are on the nose. I do not have ASD but have an official ADHD diagnosis and damn, did I have to jump through some hoops to get to a professional who could do a proper evaluation; small wonder people get fed up with the system. All of this transgender ideology nonsense just makes me more convinced than ever that we need way better mental health support...

I’m involved with the Reddit ASD community, and whenever this topic comes up, it gets super heated with half the people saying derogatory things about trans people and the other half calling those people Nazis. It’s a real clusterf*ck.

Not gonna lie... that sounds kind of hilarious hahaha. I won't participate but is there anywhere I could read those if I were curious? Just on like the r/autism subreddit, for example?

I think this divide is a clash between a few different symptoms of ASD...

With ASD, we’re just kind of stuck with these problems. Sure, we can work on them, but that’s really hard work, and we’re never going to be “normal.” These other “conditions” offer a framework for understanding ourselves that puts the onus on others, and on medical interventions, not on ourselves, and may offer some (false) hope for normalcy.

So, our propensity for skepticism ends up clashing with our overwhelming desire to fit in somewhere. Which one wins out depends on the person and their mental state, I suppose.

That is SUPER helpful, thank you for explaining! That makes a lot of sense... Seems like the word "gullible" could in this context, then, be broken down into several parts-- a part related to distress caused at having ASD (struggles with navigating the world and fitting in might make an individual feel desperate, and thus fall prey to cult tactics), and a part related to mind/body disconnect that would make it harder to tell when someone is bullshitting you about mind/body feelings and sensations.

I’m not sure what I hoped to accomplish with this wall of text, but I hope someone finds it interesting.

Lmao, that was me with this post.

[–]Constantine 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Unfortunately mods delete all of this stuff and I’m not as good as you are about saving these things, but I’ll keep an eye out for the next epic Reddit meltdown on the subject lol

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No worries! Thank you, I might check over there too :)

[–]blahblahgcer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I said thsi in another comment, but every self diagnosed autistic I know is trans. They're all very out and proud about being autistic, even mentioning it in job interviews and the likes, something which almost every professionally diagnosed autistic person would never do, from what I've seen.

The autism community seems to have a much higher rate of transitioning than the rest of the population, but not as high as the self dxers.

I'm starting to get very sick and tired of self-diagnosing. I'm sick of my struggles and pain being used as woke points and attention-seeking behavior. But the autism community would shun anyone who says that.

[–]Constantine 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m a little late replying, but yeah, I feel this. I would never mention in a job interview, oh my God the thought makes me cringe. That just makes me think they’re part of the group that really wants to be special and get special treatment at work/school. I have an inkling that some of this group might actually be autistic, but it’s still annoying and damaging to the wider community. And there’s no doubt many of them don’t have ASD at all.